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Oct 16, 2019 9:39:51 GMT
Post by mossie on Oct 16, 2019 9:39:51 GMT
Don't bank on it, the wankers are still poncing about
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Oct 16, 2019 11:10:49 GMT
Post by bjd on Oct 16, 2019 11:10:49 GMT
But Mossie, even if you leave on October 31st with "no deal", there will still be years of negotiations to make new trade deals. The EU is the UK's biggest trading partner.
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Oct 16, 2019 15:45:58 GMT
Post by bixaorellana on Oct 16, 2019 15:45:58 GMT
From what I can see, the UK "wankers" only care about keeping their party in power and damn the country they're supposed to be serving.
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Oct 16, 2019 16:11:43 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Oct 16, 2019 16:11:43 GMT
Meanwhile, I saw an interesting report on how customs checks are handled between Sweden (EU) and Norway (non-EU). The main thing that surprised me was that this was not studied earlier in view of the Irish complications.
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Oct 18, 2019 18:25:03 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Oct 18, 2019 18:25:03 GMT
While it is a very marginal subject overall, tonight's news had a big report on the 160,000 British citizen living in France. Only 3000 have requested French citizenship so far, but apparently there has been a new surge in applications over the past few days. Oddly enough, there has also been a surge in applications by British spouses in Franco-British families living in Great Britain, just in case they feel that they would be better off leaving.
It can be hoped that all of these fears are excessive, but I guess we won't know for another few months.
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Oct 19, 2019 8:27:50 GMT
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Post by whatagain on Oct 19, 2019 8:27:50 GMT
I have to dig into the deal that has been approved between Bojo and Junkers. Same old deal or they found something new ? Will it be approve in parliament etc.
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Oct 19, 2019 9:05:33 GMT
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Post by patricklondon on Oct 19, 2019 9:05:33 GMT
Essentially the same, with the major changes to do with N. Ireland, and some revision of the "declaration" to do with the next process of negotiating the future relationship: How much of Johnson's 'great new deal' is actually new?
Even if this passes, there's a transitional period (now getting ever shorter, since it's deadlined to the end of 2020) during which the future relationship is to be settled. Or in other words (not mine) 'This is not the end. It is not the beginning of the end. It is, perhaps, the end of the beginning' My blog | My photos | My video clips | My Librivox recordings"too literate to be spam"
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Oct 19, 2019 11:44:30 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Oct 19, 2019 11:44:30 GMT
Looked to me like they just found a new name for "backstop."
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Oct 19, 2019 14:13:24 GMT
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Post by patricklondon on Oct 19, 2019 14:13:24 GMT
And the vote is, by 322 to 306, to delay again until all the relevant legislation to apply the agreement has passed. So Johnson has abandoned the vote in principle on the agreement, in favour of pushing through the substantive legislation next week. But the law says he has to ask for the extension. Whether he can get the legislation through and/or whether the opposition parties can muster up a vote of no confidence and a chance for someone else to have a go, who knows? Monday morning should be interesting. My blog | My photos | My video clips | My Librivox recordings"too literate to be spam"
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Oct 19, 2019 14:59:41 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Oct 19, 2019 14:59:41 GMT
Rule Brittania!
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Oct 19, 2019 20:51:06 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Oct 19, 2019 20:51:06 GMT
It seems as though Boris is going to wish he was dead in a ditch rather than what he will apparently do this weekend.
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Oct 20, 2019 1:01:02 GMT
Post by questa on Oct 20, 2019 1:01:02 GMT
From a poem written by a Brit poet who spent time in Oz and NZ. Can't remember his name or 1st line of the poem. I learnt this at school in the days when we were still part of "The Empire".These are the final lines.
"Britannia, when thy hearth is cold, and o'er thy grave has grown the moss, Still "Rule Australia" shall be told, in islands of the Southern Cross
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Oct 20, 2019 7:49:53 GMT
Post by mossie on Oct 20, 2019 7:49:53 GMT
Good on you, Sheila. I am gathering moss like there is no tomorrow, because there ain’t.
How did we descend to this, begging a Junkers to stay under his jackboot. Twice we have had to step in and stop them killing each other. Once upon a time, long ago, nearly half the globe was coloured pink, and we were teaching the indigenous populations not to kill and eat one another. Showing them how to live in proper houses instead of reed or mud huts, build proper roads and all the rest of a civilised society.
Now I’m going to be shouted at with “global warming” and “capitalist swine”, but I don’t care, we were once a great nation, now reduced to a quivering heap of PC jelly.
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Oct 20, 2019 12:04:46 GMT
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Post by whatagain on Oct 20, 2019 12:04:46 GMT
Fate of all nations Mossie. Or would you prefer to rule the world by contractual clauses backed by an army that disengages when there is talk of fighting to protect their allies ? We are all reduced to the size of our population. Rulers of tomorrow will be chinese and Indians. Like it or not. So stepping down from a group of 400millions to live alone makes UK a dwarf only 7 times bigger than Belgium. Easy to be eaten up by whoever wants it. De omnis Gallis Belgi fortissimi sunt. who cares about past empires ?
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Oct 20, 2019 12:33:25 GMT
Post by mossie on Oct 20, 2019 12:33:25 GMT
I think you are right there Whatagain, I have been telling people that they must learn Chinee
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Oct 20, 2019 13:33:07 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Oct 20, 2019 13:33:07 GMT
Many countries have had a go at ruling a large chunk of the world -- Egypt, Rome, Greece, Spain, Portugal, France -- to name just a few. Look at where they are now. It is interesting that both China and India are getting a second chance after only about 700 years.
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Oct 20, 2019 13:55:26 GMT
Post by bjd on Oct 20, 2019 13:55:26 GMT
As above -- lots of countries have had their turn imposing their rule and thinking they are bringing civilization, while exploiting for their own benefit. Britain started going downhill and losing influence before WW2, and was totally supplanted by the USA. America's influence will certainly last less long than previous historical empires because everything moves faster nowadays.
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Oct 20, 2019 18:49:42 GMT
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Post by whatagain on Oct 20, 2019 18:49:42 GMT
And Americans don't understand anything about politics in foreign affairs. Whilst the Brits were masters at that.
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Oct 20, 2019 19:06:08 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Oct 20, 2019 19:06:08 GMT
I fear that a lot of American foreign policy dates back to Theodore Roosevelt and his big stick. Big stick ideologyA big difference is that Trump did not notice the part about speaking softly. Yes, I know that we are mixing threads here.
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Oct 21, 2019 1:07:04 GMT
Post by questa on Oct 21, 2019 1:07:04 GMT
Or, as P B Shelley wrote...
I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said:"Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown
And wrinkled lip and sneer of cold command
[..................................]
And on the pedestal these words appear:
'My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!'
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare.
The lone and level sands stretch far away."
I guess that is why I love deserts. They show me how infinitely small and inconsequential we are in the scheme of things. How time is not linear but one 'happening', and at night in total darkness we can see a million galaxies whirling across our sky in giant circles.
Mmmm...time to pack my tent and hit the red sand again.
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Oct 21, 2019 14:51:40 GMT
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Post by Kimby on Oct 21, 2019 14:51:40 GMT
From a poem written by a Brit poet who spent time in Oz and NZ. Can't remember his name or 1st line of the poem. I learnt this at school in the days when we were still part of "The Empire".These are the final lines. "Britannia, when thy hearth is cold, and o'er thy grave has grown the moss, Still "Rule Australia" shall be told, in islands of the Southern CrossThis: Ballade Of The Southern Cross Poem by Andrew Lang Fair islands of the silver fleece, Hoards of unsunned, uncounted gold, Whose havens are the haunts of Peace, Whose boys are in our quarrel bold; OUR bolt is shot, our tale is told, Our ship of state in storms may toss, But ye are young if we are old, Ye Islands of the Southern Cross! Ay, WE must dwindle and decrease, Such fates the ruthless years unfold; And yet we shall not wholly cease, We shall not perish unconsoled; Nay, still shall Freedom keep her hold Within the sea's inviolate fosse, And boast her sons of English mould, Ye Islands of the Southern Cross! All empires tumble--Rome and Greece - Their swords are rust, their altars cold! For us, the Children of the Seas, Who ruled where'er the waves have rolled, For us, in Fortune's books enscrolled, I read no runes of hopeless loss; Nor--while YE last--our knell is tolled, Ye Islands of the Southern Cross! Britannia, when thy hearth's a-cold, When o'er thy grave has grown the moss, Still Rule Australia shall be trolled In Islands of the Southern Cross!
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Oct 22, 2019 0:37:37 GMT
Post by questa on Oct 22, 2019 0:37:37 GMT
Oh Fabulous, Kimby. How did you find it? I have tried various searches to no effect. It is more jingo-istic than I had remembered. The "sons of English mould" does not hold true today when 75% of our population have at least one grandparent born overseas in a non-British country. Relying on our wool exports (silver fleece) and gold has been replaced by Education. our second biggest export, and iron ore as Asia builds its new cities.
Our "boys" and girls have been in every "quarrel bold" from the Boer War to all the wars that UK or USA has been involved in, plus a few Pacific side shows. Our Peacekeepers are scattered all over the world.
However, the writer was on the ball with his vision of UK's "Our ship of state in storms may toss,"
Many thanks for this, Kimby
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Oct 28, 2019 17:02:30 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Oct 28, 2019 17:02:30 GMT
Damn, I guess the UK is going to continue to sponge off the EU for another 3 months and nobody seems to be dead in a ditch.
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Oct 28, 2019 19:30:20 GMT
Post by mossie on Oct 28, 2019 19:30:20 GMT
It is very much the other way about. The EU sponges off the UK, we play fair while they all cheat, wasn't it Italy that was found to be getting a subsidy for olive oil production being produced from more hectares than there was total agricultural land. We get taken for a ride and subsidise the EU up to the hilt, paying about a quarter of the whole EU bill while the majority of countries just idle away .
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Oct 28, 2019 19:35:29 GMT
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Post by whatagain on Oct 28, 2019 19:35:29 GMT
We ll see later. But with the amount of half truths the brexiters said to promote it I have some doubts. What were the astronomical amounts they were talking of for the social security alone and how much is it in reality ? Anyway it is past now for good or wrong UK will be rid of us.
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Oct 28, 2019 20:02:29 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Oct 28, 2019 20:02:29 GMT
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Oct 28, 2019 20:16:54 GMT
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Post by whatagain on Oct 28, 2019 20:16:54 GMT
Great ! As a Belgian I contribute 2.5 times less than UK. Since UK citizens are 7 time more numerous than us it means that per capita we will save 3 times more than the Brits. If money were my sole motivation I would rejoice.
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Oct 28, 2019 20:29:18 GMT
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Post by Kimby on Oct 28, 2019 20:29:18 GMT
Oh Fabulous, Kimby. How did you find it? I have tried various searches to no effect. Many thanks for this, Kimby I copied your stanza into google, and voila! Glad to help.
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Oct 29, 2019 8:08:32 GMT
Post by mossie on Oct 29, 2019 8:08:32 GMT
Thanks for the reference to the statistica page Kerouac, I have saved that for future study. I still have the feeling that we are treated as second class citizens by the EU. It was very noticeable how Cameron was given the run around when he tried to negotiate a better deal.
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Oct 29, 2019 10:08:40 GMT
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Post by whatagain on Oct 29, 2019 10:08:40 GMT
There is no negotiating a better deal when you decide to breach the existing one. UK wanted to go away and EU didn't. That is highly different to negotiating a normal deal where each party tries to get the best deal but both want to sign. From our part as a continental you were seen as not real EU member : you refused to use the euro for a start you kept customs and immigration so you were not perceived as fully in. A little like the Swiss. (Who aren't part at all). Somehow you played the part of the perfidious Albion : you betrayed and left us. Why should we have been nice to Cameron ?
Ps : I really your posts - makes me try to understand how nice guys are pro Brexit. All things equal it would be like discussing with a nice guy who likes trump ( more complicated to imagine although i've got one in the family ...).
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