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Post by kerouac2 on Feb 13, 2020 11:32:46 GMT
The latest Doctor Mike video brought up numerous interesting points about allergies.
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Post by mickthecactus on Feb 13, 2020 13:44:44 GMT
Glad you enjoyed it. Took me hours to make.
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Post by cheerypeabrain on Feb 13, 2020 15:28:39 GMT
Jolly interesting video Kerouac. I've not heard of Dr Mike 4 years post retirement I can still run through the normal ranges for haematological values
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Post by kerouac2 on Feb 13, 2020 16:02:24 GMT
Doctor Mike is actually a Russian immigrant (Mikhail Varshavski).
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Post by mickthecactus on Feb 13, 2020 17:14:27 GMT
Doctor Mike is actually a Russian immigrant (Mikhail Varshavski). Well, I might be. You don't know comrade.
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Post by bixaorellana on Mar 9, 2022 22:33:15 GMT
I am rather distressed. All my life I have been a cheerful omnivore, quite happy to try any food and have no phobias nor known allergies. Not only am I not picky, but my stomach is not the least bit delicate. One of the foods I love -- crave, even -- is fish. This is a food I've eaten my whole life, especially since I come from a state where it's venerated. I like it any way it's prepared, from fried catfish to sashimi. If I had to choose between giving up meat or fish for the rest of my life, I'd turn my back on meat. Night before last I cooked a filet of cod in tomato sauce with olives and served it alongside capellini tossed with black pepper and a few capers. It was exceptionally delicious. A little while later I was watching a tv show when I was suddenly hit with the most profound and urgent nausea, barely making it to the bathroom to toss up everything from the soles of my feet on up. A short while later it hit again. Whew! Thinking about this later, it occurred to me that the only identical incident in my life happened about a month ago. Not only was the sudden onset of compelling nausea the same, but what I had eaten was the same, too: cod. Looking it up, it seems that "... about 40% of people with fish allergy experienc[e] their first reaction as an adult."
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Post by onlyMark on Mar 9, 2022 23:21:16 GMT
You ate cod a month ago. What is the amount of time since you ate it before that? Have you eaten other fish in the meantime? Is there any ingredient in common between the two cod meals? Other than cod? Was the cod from the same source, e.g. restaurant? The fish you eat is commonly in your area, frozen? Apart from feeling sick, were there any other symptoms, like an urge to poop? Any skin symptoms like a redness/rash? Did you just feel sick or were there stomach spasms as well? Have you felt sick, even slightly, with any other meal?
The questions are because as far as I know, allergies don't suddenly happen so I wonder if there has been any indication previously, even if it is a reaction to something else maybe e.g. "One allergy that may masquerade as a fish allergy is an allergy to a fish parasite called Anisakis simplex." Also, "people with allergies to one type of fish are likely to have (or to develop) allergies to other types of finned fish." In addition, "You'll also need to steer clear of foods that contain fish as an ingredient..." and the article gives a list of examples - so have you eaten any of those examples and had a reaction, or not?
I have other comments but I'll leave them for now as this puzzles me somewhat. If I became allergic to fish it'd be a disaster. My gut reaction (!) is that you either felt sick because of cod, or something else. The 'something else' covers so many things the probability of it specifically being cod, or even fish in general, is a lot less than another factor. But what do I know. Just a thought.
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Post by bixaorellana on Mar 9, 2022 23:43:39 GMT
You ate cod a month ago. What is the amount of time since you ate it before that? Don't remember. Have you eaten other fish in the meantime? Yes, without any reaction.Is there any ingredient in common between the two cod meals? Other than cod? No.Was the cod from the same source, e.g. restaurant? Frozen cod from the supermarket.The fish you eat is commonly in your area, frozen? Yes.Apart from feeling sick, were there any other symptoms, like an urge to poop? Any skin symptoms like a redness/rash? No. Did you just feel sick or were there stomach spasms as well? I'm not sure what stomach spasms are, but the violent vomiting pretty well distracted me from anything else. Have you felt sick, even slightly, with any other meal? No.
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Post by htmb on Mar 10, 2022 6:53:24 GMT
I’ve had similar incidents that I’ve been able to trace to how the particular foods were grown/washed (green grapes) or prepared (beef seasoned with a casein tenderizer at a restaurant). Hopefully, for you, its not a fish allergy, but I’m guessing you don’t want to eat more cod anytime soon to test out the theory.
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Post by onlyMark on Mar 10, 2022 8:12:58 GMT
Both bits of cod didn't come from the same packet in your freezer then, they were bought separately?
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Post by kerouac2 on Mar 10, 2022 15:50:39 GMT
That was my question as well -- same lot of frozen cod or a different one?
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Post by bixaorellana on Mar 10, 2022 18:10:51 GMT
both bits of cod didn't come from the same packet in your freezer then, they were bought separately? They were from two different bags. The first time I thought maybe it had been in the freezer too long &/or that I hadn't cooked it enough. This is the product: super.walmart.com.mx/pescados-y-mariscos/bacalao-marketside-premium-500-g/00750179161019The pieces of fish inside are vacuum-wrapped. I just looked at the current bag -- expiration date is mid-June of this year and the fish is imported from China, where everything is produced under the strictest conditions of hygiene, respect for workers, etc.
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Post by mickthecactus on Mar 10, 2022 18:19:58 GMT
Is cod native to China?
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Post by mickthecactus on Mar 10, 2022 18:31:24 GMT
Perhaps it’s fishy Covid....
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Post by bixaorellana on Mar 10, 2022 18:32:23 GMT
When I think of cod, I think of Norway and Alaska. Anyway, I looked it up. *shudder* sourceChina cod is processed in China with the raw material coming from both the Atlantic and the Pacific. ...
Is it safe to buy fish from China? We have considerable evidence that seafood imports from China pose significant safety risks. In June, 2007, the FDA put five types of farmed-raised fish and seafood from China under a “detain and test” order , due to repeated findings that the fish contained chemicals banned from seafood in the United States. .
Is frozen fish from China Safe to Eat? Fluoroquinolones, also found in the Chinese fish , can increase antibiotic resistance in humans, the FDA said. The chemicals are often used to battle fish diseases caused by China's polluted waterways, fish experts said." Member since 2005. I suggest that you try to avoid the frozen fish from Asia.
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Post by bjd on Mar 10, 2022 20:46:27 GMT
My husband became sick after eating oysters a couple of years ago. Another woman, in her 50s, told me the same thing happened to her. She talked to the fish seller on the market (the stand next to hers) and he told her it was quite commong that people suddenly develop an intolerance for oysters or another kind of seafood.
I would guess fish is less problematic than oysters or shrimps though. But when the fish are caught far from China, frozen on board in conditions we don't know about, then repacked in China and exported -- that's a lot of steps and travelling for fish. Isn't there anything caught more locally that you could eat?
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Post by bixaorellana on Mar 15, 2022 5:51:12 GMT
Bjd, buying fish here is frustrating. Where I live is well inland, but the state has a coastline. So, you go to a market and see what seems to be lots of fresh fish laid out on beds of ice ornamented with fresh parsley. But further investigation reveals that you're looking at defrosted fish!
The frozen supermarket fish, all vacuum packed and labeled seemed like a good solution, especially for a person who lives alone and can't use up very much fresh fish at a time. I just bought that and never thought about it until the two barf-the-bacalao incidents.
For the moment, I'm going to have to accept that I might indeed have an adult-onset allergy to cod. But after what I've read about the fish from China, I'd be avoiding it anyway.
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Post by bixaorellana on Jun 21, 2023 23:37:42 GMT
Well, hell ~ I've had another allergic reaction to a food I enjoyed. Admittedly, this might have been a case of too much of a good thing, as I'd had green papaya curry for lunch, then green papaya salad for supper.
It could also have been an effect of the preparation method. The first green papaya salad I had was grated. For this one, I thought I was being clever by grinding it in the food processor.
Regardless, I ate it & all was fine. A while after supper I was dying of thirst. This was hardly surprising, as it's been quite hot, plus the salt or fish sauce in the salad could have provoked thirst. Drank some water & continued sitting quietly in the living room until I was distracted by the fact that my tongue seemed to have cleaved to the bottom of my mouth due to the complete lack of moisture therein. I continued drinking quantities of water even though I wasn't experiencing conventional thirst, rather an alarmingly dry mouth and lips that felt raw inside & tasted bitter when I licked them.
Finally it occurred to me to google oral reactions to raw papaya & sure enough, that seems to be what got me. That was on Saturday & the symptoms have persisted. Yesterday I drank a liter of Gatorade, thinking it might help. Today is Wednesday & it seems as though the discomfort is finally starting to diminish.
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Post by mickthecactus on Jun 22, 2023 6:08:15 GMT
That's not nice
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Post by htmb on Jun 22, 2023 6:43:20 GMT
No, didn’t sound like fun. Hopefully, it was just a matter of too much raw papaya over the course of a day. Did you try taking an antihistamine like benedryl? Even something the equivalent to Zyrtec of Claritin could have been helpful. I know you don’t like taking meds, Bixa, but if the reaction had been bad enough to restrict your breathing that wouldn’t have been a good thing. Glad it wasn’t worse.
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Post by kerouac2 on Jun 22, 2023 10:14:29 GMT
You've eaten papayas before. You just had too much this time probably. Or it might be something totally different. All of us probably do too many self diagnostics.
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Post by whatagain on Jun 22, 2023 10:38:44 GMT
Too much self diagnosing indeed
Doctors are there for that !
Yesterday my daughter was talking about something and said she had read on internet that … i reminded her we had a doctor at home and that it would be best to ask her instead. Tsss.
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Post by bixaorellana on Jun 22, 2023 18:03:43 GMT
Thank you, Mick & htmb. if the reaction had been bad enough to restrict your breathing that wouldn’t have been a good thing I was going to get some Benedryl the next day, but my symptoms weren't bad enough to bother. Thank for for the judgmental mansplaining, Kerouac. As stated, I knew it could have been simply a case of too much raw papaya. And thank you for chiming in with your copycat judgmental comment, Whatagain. In my opinion, too many people are too quick to run to the doctor.
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Post by kerouac2 on Jun 23, 2023 7:45:19 GMT
I'm sorry that your condition seems to have made you cranky, Bixa.
I'm really happy that you found sound (and free) medical advice from Google.
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Post by whatagain on Jun 23, 2023 11:18:00 GMT
It isn't mansplaining. Just a recommendation to not trust internet and yourself on medical issues. There is a reason that these guys spend 7 years learning before being a doctor. But great to read you are feeling better.
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Post by kerouac2 on Jun 23, 2023 11:24:15 GMT
However, I do wonder what Bixa calls it when a woman tells her something that annoys her.
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Post by mickthecactus on Jun 23, 2023 12:04:21 GMT
I don’t see any problem using the internet provided you go to a proper site e.g. NHS.
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Post by fumobici on Jun 25, 2023 14:41:07 GMT
That can't happen, women are never condescending to other women and always steadfastly support their sisters in unity against male oppression. So it doesn't need a word.
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Post by cheerypeabrain on Jun 25, 2023 14:53:04 GMT
Pft....
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Post by kerouac2 on Jun 25, 2023 14:55:57 GMT
I will offer my thoughts and prayers to all annoyed women. Apparently that helps when anything goes wrong. There can't possibly be any hyprocrisy about that, right?
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