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Post by lagatta on Mar 26, 2017 0:57:02 GMT
In another thread, a founding member of this board said horrible contemptuous things about me and the nation where I live, Québec.
I do NOT think Québec is a whit better than anywhere else. But I don't think contemptuous language or attitudes are acceptable on a board that is supposed to be internationalist in scope. And of course, I have no recourse whatsoever against a Dear Leader.
I don't want to leave this board. But I refuse to stay in a space where I am insulted, spat upon and subjected to stereotyping. I know that there are people in France who hold the contemptuous, supercilious attitude dear leader refers to, but fortunately others who don't, and who stand in solidarity with our struggle to exist.
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Post by lagatta on Mar 26, 2017 1:05:13 GMT
By the way, being treated like that really hurts. I'm a human being, not some cipher who is an anonymous target for macho contempt.
I'm so fucking tired of being treated like that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2017 3:56:51 GMT
Clearly you do not have to deal with all of the insults that are made about France. My intention was not at all to annoy you, but just to point out how Québec is viewed by many people from other parts of the planet. You might think about apologising to other members here if you think that being compared to "Anglo-saxons" is an unbearable insult, chum.
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Post by whatagain on Mar 26, 2017 10:13:49 GMT
I perosnaly think that Quebec is better than most parts of the world I've been to.
I find the people in Quebec a great cross-over between Europe (where we are so much more intelligent than in the new world) and US (where people are so much more open than us asocial guys).
As far as I am concerned, after losing Lizzy, if Lagatta goes away I'll retire from this forum.
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Post by fumobici on Mar 26, 2017 18:46:41 GMT
Yeah, we really can't afford to lose more core members. It's not like they get replaced when they go. I'd love to see lagatta show us around Montréal too. I love the city, it didn't seem American at all to this philistine cowboy. You got a camera lagatta?
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Post by onlyMark on Mar 26, 2017 19:27:01 GMT
Poutine. I want poutine. I've never had it. Lagatta needs to find me the best poutine place when I eventually go there.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2017 20:00:07 GMT
She's an expert on poutine!
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Post by lagatta on Mar 26, 2017 23:08:08 GMT
As I've said many times before, I hate poutine (which started in what, the 1980s?) Waste of good frites. Though obviously I can suggest poutine places for those who like that cr*p.
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Post by whatagain on Mar 27, 2017 8:14:27 GMT
Même la poutine à l'italienne avec de la sauce bolo en lieu et place de l'horrible sauce cheddar ?
I confirm that poutines exist at least since 1987.
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Post by onlyMark on Mar 27, 2017 12:41:54 GMT
Lagatta, imagine if you post a list of the best poutine places, or your last conversation was about poutine, and then you disappear. Would you want that as your legacy? I wouldn't. I'd hang around and just keep posting for a bit longer. No pressure, like.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 13:43:41 GMT
Même la poutine à l'italienne avec de la sauce bolo en lieu et place de l'horrible sauce cheddar ? Ah, it is clear that you have not had the truly wonderful Québécois speciality poutine. There is no cheddar sauce. Poutine consists of fries, cheese curds and a brown gravy. I like it very much because I have always liked limp damp fries. I was very happy to see that both McDonald's and Burger King have it on the menu in Québec. So much better than those dry sticks that they usually serve. And I like to throw my fries in the broth of moules marinière, too -- they just get better! Thank god that poutine exists to help preserve the culture of Québec from becoming completely Americanised!
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Post by lagatta on Apr 27, 2017 18:32:42 GMT
Unfortunately, this thread continues to be relevant...
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Post by whatagain on Apr 27, 2017 19:33:01 GMT
You'll have to explain how a comment on a poutine has any relevance with respect. Maybe we should start a thread called P-A-R-A-N-O-I-A ?
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Post by lagatta on Apr 27, 2017 20:56:29 GMT
No, it was in reference to rudeness on another thread. Not by you. I don't mind poutine jokes at all.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2017 21:30:18 GMT
I believe that Lagatta did not appreciate being challenged about her misunderstanding about the difference between 'revolutionary' and 'leftist' on the French politics thread and considered it to be a personal attack.
A number of people here have wandered into the debate thread thinking that approval should be given to everything they say. I have found it very unfortunate that some people do not comprehend the saying "if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen."
This section of Anyport was created so that people can disagree about various subjects. It does not at all reflect on how much we appreciate them as human beings and valued members on other subjects. Unfortunately, some people are unable to accept any sort of controversy, so they should not venture here in that case.
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Post by lagatta on Apr 27, 2017 21:55:25 GMT
No, it was the personal attack you added after that comment. I'm not a political illiterate.
And of course I understand that (though the terms overlap, it depends on what one views as leftist, or what one views as revolutionary). The only candidates who could have conceivably thought of as "revolutionary" were Poutou and Arthaud, and I doubt most of the small number of people voting for either of those was seeking the dictatorship of the proletariat. Poutou got a bit of a left-wing pissed-off vote because he was splendidly mouthy towards Fillon and Le Pen. But most leftists, even those who don't particularly like Mélenchon because of his cocorico and exitist leanings, didn't want to cast a protest vote for a marginal candidate.
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Post by bixaorellana on Apr 27, 2017 22:26:42 GMT
As there is no way for anyport to install a popcorn machine so everyone could sit back and be entertained by taking sides, I feel strongly that a beef one person has with another should be dealt with via PMs between those persons.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2017 4:09:06 GMT
Strange. Most of the French and particularly his supporters consider Mélenchon to be revolutionary. So I guess I must be and the French in general must be really really stupid if "the only candidates who could have conceivably thought of as "revolutionary" were Poutou and Arthaud."
The goal of the Mélenchon camp is a révolution citoyenne. Then again, the title of Macron's campaign book was Révolution, so apparently in this country we use the word more freely than in other places.
I suppose I should feel insulted and offended, but I don't on a debate board.
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Post by onlyMark on Apr 28, 2017 6:05:11 GMT
And I strongly disagree with both of you.
I've no idea why yet but as soon as I think of a reason I'll yet you know.
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Post by lagatta on Apr 28, 2017 8:36:43 GMT
I wasn't actually supporting anyone (I'm not a French citizen, and don't live there), and discussions on that should go back in the French politics thread. I opened this one as another poster made a very rude comment questioning my acumen because I don't seem to share enthusiasm for Macron (who of course is nowhere near as horrible as Le Pen). No, I don't think that is acceptable behaviour. I am really not to blame if the neo-fascist is rising in the polls - I never advised anyone for whom to vote including French friends over here, also because I was not very enthusiastic about any of the candidates.
I started this thread on the precise topic of respect to other posters. That doesn't mean "not disagreeing"; it means not insulting them or putting them down. Another poster I really liked left for that reason.
The only other candidate in the first round who was "left" but not subjectively "revolutionary" (the Pope also called for a revolution this week) is Hamon, who didn't do a hell of a lot better than the fringe candidates.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2017 12:31:42 GMT
I believe that respect starts with oneself. You have appointed yourself as the big expert on French politics and you don't accept any contradiction. Or should I say "someone on the thread appointed herself as the big expert on French politics" in the way you pretend to be polite?
I have not criticised anybody here for their political choices and I have made no statement to recruit anybody for my own political options. I did not see any defence of Louis XIV when he was driven off this board for expressing support of Trump, and I also thought that Mossie was treated like crap for expressing his support of UKIP.
I like you very much, Lagatta, since you are one of the most intelligent and articulate members of Anyport. But I do not understand your unfounded feeling that you are being insulted when it is not true.
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Post by lagatta on Apr 28, 2017 12:44:29 GMT
I most certainly do NOT consider myself an expert on French politics; certainly not current ones.
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Post by onlyMark on Apr 28, 2017 13:09:11 GMT
.................. YAY!! I'd vote for her. So much more charismatic than the others. I like a strong woman. If she'd only made a sex tape I bet she could win.
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Post by onlyMark on Apr 28, 2017 13:14:33 GMT
I hope you are both distracted enough that you realise you are going nowhere with this. You both need some chocolate.
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Post by lagatta on Apr 28, 2017 13:33:15 GMT
That's the last thing I need. I'm drinking strong espresso and am about to have some breakfast. I'm working on a translation from the Italian...
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Post by onlyMark on Apr 28, 2017 14:55:00 GMT
Nessun problema.
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Post by fumobici on Apr 28, 2017 17:56:14 GMT
If I were given a choice between economically rather extreme right wing Macron (economics being my non-negotiable litmus test for politicians), and the trying to play the despicable game of deniably exploiting peoples' racist tendencies for her own benefit Le Pen, I'd stay home. I have almost no respect for either one. In much the same way I was unable to vote for either Trump nor for Clinton in the last US election. I'm not going to vote for someone I have no respect for no matter the situational complications in place.
As for the titular subject of the thread, I grew a thick skin swimming with the sharks in the less moderated spaces of the internet many years ago. Let me have it with both barrels if you so desire. I'll be fine, I promise.
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Post by lagatta on Apr 29, 2017 0:03:55 GMT
I've never even asked my friends in France what they were doing, nor my French friends here. They range from Macron to Poutou en passant par Mélenchon and Hamon, and ALL OF THEM, from moderate to radical left (none espouse the very archaic and sectarian Marxism of Lutte Ouvrière) are utterly disgusted by Le Pen père et fille and the older ones have been since the rise of that neofascist group. I deliberately do not get involved, all the more so as I have no solution whatsoever except "not a vote for Le Pen" (Mélenchon agrees about that).
There seems to be so little about the environment, except opposition to certain very harmful "grands projets". The Pope is better in that respect.
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Post by whatagain on May 31, 2020 9:41:14 GMT
I see I cross-posted with Fumobici. Foreigners living here cry about the lack of good aged hard and semi-hard cheeses all the time. I've posted elsewhere about the cheese I get from a Dutch cheese maker in Michoacán, and when things open up again I can hit Seasons of My Heart for their expensive but fabulous imported cheeses. That said, not every cheese is meant to be delicately savored on homemade spelt crackers. Some are just there as part of the cultural landscape and have their homely places. Dutch ? Avoid everything dutch. There is always a better alternative. Cheese : france od switzerland. Beer ... belgium People speaking dutch : flemish ! Tulips ? French roses... who needs (dutch) flowers. Weed ? Scottish whisky. Is there a thread about who are the worst europeans ? ... doing my best to keep the thread derailed... Not wanti g to search 😈😈
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Post by onlyMark on May 31, 2020 11:27:42 GMT
belgian ? Avoid everything Belgian. There is always a better alternative. Cheese : UK or France. Beer ... germany People speaking flemish : dutch ! Poppies ? seen better on the side of a Spanish motorway... who needs belgian poppies? Weed ? Amsterdam. Saying you are from Belgium is the equivalent in interest to saying you are a lift operator
Is there a thread about who are the worst europeans ?
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