Thanks so much, Patrick! I really appreciate the in-depth analysis of the current political climate, especially since you're vacationing and not marinating yourself in the current stew of news.
I will re-read your answer a few times to try to get a better handle and to better understand any articles I read on the situation. Your explanation does make me feel better about my difficulties in understanding all of this!
I ( maybe foolishly) remain optimistic that there will be a no confidence vote in Johnson , a general election and that we get another say. What the outcome of that will be may depend on whether the remainers or the leavers are the least apathetic in the turn out as well as what candidates are proposed and how tactical the voting is.
From what I have been reading, I think Corbyn is too divisive and they need someone seen as quite neutral to head a caretaker government. And with these guys who have been smelling power for so long, once they are in there,they will hang on like limpets to a rock so neither Johnson nor Corbyn should be considered.
Thank you, Lugg! Since I come from a severely divided two-party country, I am heartened and fascinated by stories such as the tactical voting one you posted. In my uninformed outsider way, when I was in London in June of 2017, I perceived Corbyn as a rather noble figure, rather than as the wishy-washy, obstructively ambitious & useless creature I now see him as. Still, he is not a Tory, a species of creature every bit as vile, venal and downright cruel as any of my country's Republicans.
Re: Ken Clarke ~ the very label "Conservative" gives me twitches, although his reasonableness in bucking the unreasonable tide of votes to trigger Article 50 is heartening. Also, again as someone from the USA, I would very much like to see someone of his age really shine on the world stage, the better to enhance my candidate's chances to become president of the US.
How much time passed between the announcement of a referendum (<-- not a binding vote!) on Brexit and the actual voting day?
The referendum was in the Tories' manifesto for the May 2015 election. Enabling legislation passed through Parliament in the autumn. The actual date in June 2016 was announced in February 2016, once Cameron had completed various agreements with the EU that he thought would deal with enough Eurosceptic concerns.
Post by cheerypeabrain on Aug 21, 2019 8:17:18 GMT
Thank you Patrick. I do try to keep up with what's going on but wouldn't know where to stat if asked to explain it all.
Re Ken Clarke OR Jeremy Corbyn. No. No no no no no!
To be fair it is difficult to think of any MP with enough experience, respected across party lines able to step in and lead a Brexit party. I don't think that there's time anyway. I do think that there will be a last minute deal made just so that Johnson can claim that he successfully avoided a no-deal scenario. What a mess.
Two names there who would be high up the list for the guillotine which I fondly imagine will be set up in Parliament Square very soon. Unless the Westminster Wankers get their act together and drag us, kicking and screaming, out of the corrupt EU
Dennis Skinner for Prime Minister!!! I may not always agree with his politics, but he his principled, intelligent, incorruptible and has a quick wit. Shame he's a bit too old now though. There are numerous exchanges he has had over the years in Parliament, one being -
“When posh boys are in trouble, they sack the servants.”
Another - "Skinner: “Half the Tory members opposite are crooks” House of Commons Speaker: “The honourable member MUST withdraw that remark” Skinner: “OK, half the Tories are not crooks”.