It's the British rating system. In the French system, it would get a -12 at most, probably not even that -- although I haven't seen the other episodes yet. Obviously the American rating would just be "R" from what I have seen.
Standing in line at the bank where of course we were all being subjected to the high-mounted tv sets, I fell into conversation with my line neighbor. She pointed out, quite accurately, that there are no quality dramas, police procedurals, etc. on Mexican tv. Because of cable, she was aware of there being such things on US tv. That's a very real comparison.
So here I am reading about the comparisons between American/British/French series while in the midst of watching Homicide: Life on the Street, which is always compared to The Wire. Because I loved The Wire so much, I was keenly aware of "the contest" when I began watching Homicide. In this situation, at least, I think there is no comparison because they're both so excellent in their separate ways.
Guess what I'm trying to say is that good is good and Kerouac is quite right about the grass always seeming greener. Also, to take one particularly good example and hold it up as being typical of a country's television standards isn't very accurate. For every great series we can think of from our respective countries, we can think of something else that makes us cringe.
You are braver than I, Thill. You too, Kerouac. I just didn't think I could deal with Biutiful.
Casimira, I've only watched five (I think) episodes of Homicide so far and am totally, completely hooked. Recently watched the episode Three Men and Adena, which is one of the most remarkable feats of writing and acting I've ever seen, certainly on tv.
At the risk of having a TV Guide hurled at me, I have to say that I think The Wire was better than Homicide: Life on the Street, the show that gave rise to The Wire. Homicide was excellent, but The Wire was less mannered, thus more gripping.
Does anyone here remember a series called "Callan" [I'm looking at Patrick and Mossie here]. 1970s It had Edward Woodward as a MI6 operative and Russell Hunter as "Lonely", a homeless and unwashed informer as Callan's assistant. Anthony Valentine played the part of Toby Mears, another operative, jealous of Callan's status in the secret department.
Filmed in grainy B&W it was a grim reminder that the Cold War was full on. At times MI6 had to eliminate enemy operatives so Callan would arrange 'an accident'
In one series he is captured by KGB agents and subjected to torture and drugs to get him to name other agents. He is exchanged back to UK and becomes the Department leader. Next series shows he is too damaged, so it's back to the field.
With such a good cast and excellent writing, this series would interest this generation as well as it did mine.
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I'd like to watch The Wire but I don't do streaming. The reviews on Amazon.com frequently mention the bad quality of the discs. The reviews for the region 2 discs from Amazon,co.uk don't mention quality problems. Has anyone tried the region 2 discs?
Boston Legal is as wonderful now as it was on the first go round. I'd forgotten the fast pace, the unexplained tidbits, the absurdity.
In all fairness regarding The Wire, I don't think I gave it that much due diligence. I think I may have had difficulty being objective because I started hearing about The Wire not that long after Homicide was cancelled and I was really, really disappointed(more like in the depths of despair). I did give it a go but never really connected to it. Maybe I'll try again at some point.
The Sopranos, nah.
(I am pleased to see that some of the actors from Homicide have moved along in future endeavors. Melissa Leo in particular, a national treasure, recently starred in the movie Novitiate and was brilliant for lack of a better word. I've seen Kyle Secor and Andre Braugher in some productions but not in major roles. Pity. If you liked Leo in Treme Kimby, you will love her in Homicide although, one can see that she really hadn't come into her own quite yet. Confidence and the like are evident. Of course the role and the writing do make a huge difference. (Melissa Leo's role in Treme is based on someone I know (as were several of the main characters) so there were some obstacles in being objective).
I was compelled to watch London Spy through to the end immediately because I absolutely needed to know what was going to happen, particularly after Charlotte Rampling came on the scene. What really impressed me after having seen so many spy dramas with James Bond, Jason Bourne and various others is that this was the very first time that the incredible secret that had to be suppressed was really of incredible importance to the extent that every secret service in the world would need every trace of it to be destroyed, so I must give a big bravo to the writer for coming up with such an idea.
As for the (British) -18 rating, actually it was only the very first episode that could be considered to qualify for that. The action and visuals in the other episodes were really quite tame, except for the intense stress.
Casinira said "If you liked Leo in Treme Kimby, you will love her in Homicide although, one can see that she really hadn't come into her own quite yet. Confidence and the like are evident. Of course the role and the writing do make a huge difference.”
Thanks for the input. Homicide is waiting for pickup at the library today! Two whole seasons! And perfect(ly awful) weather to “waste” time on TV viewing.
Also, I note that Mr. Kimby has added Big Little Lies to his list, so I will get to see the last 3/4 of the last episode after re-watching the first 6 1/4 episodes with him.....in a year or so when we can get it from the library on DVD.
Update from the Kimby viewing room. Watched first 3 episodes of HOMICIDE: LIFE ON THE STREET and Mr. Kimby has failed to engage. “Is this really OLD?”
I was willing to give it more time to prove itself. I looked up episode ratings on IMDb, and convinced him to skip to #5, which got highest rating of the season. Still not enough to make him want to dedicate hours of his life to this show. (Somebody steer me to a convincing argument, please.)
So we switched to FARGO, Season Two. WOW! We’re both loving it. An all new cast from Season One, but as it’s set in 1979, a couple of the characters ARE returning, as younger versions of themselves, an interesting twist that took us awhile to figure out. Season Two is more of an ensemble cast, whereas season one had a couple very strong characters, especially Billy Bob Thornton’s deliciously evil villain.
Well, we finished FARGO Season Two (and watched Dunkirk) and when we ran out of DVDs, went back to HOMICIDE, at Mr. Kimby’s suggestion. We’re starting to engage with the characters, finally, though Mr. Kimby objects to the way Melissa Leo’s character was drawn. (She’s got great hair, though.)
Library informs us that HOUSE OF CARDS Season Five is in. Will be interesting to watch, knowing that Kevin Spacey has since been canned for his extracurricular activities...
Even though I am always a bit annoyed by remakes of recent series just because the original is from another country and "we don't want to watch their version," recently I was rather impressed by The Night Of (2016) with Riz Ahmed and John Turturro, without having seen the original British production Criminal Justice (2008) with Ben Whishaw and Peter Postlethwaite. Now I have finally seen the original. It's the same story, but there are enough variations to make both of them equally gripping. Of course the British version is a bit raw (nudity) while the American version is a bit rough (prison violence), which sort of indicates in what each country is more interested.
Whilst installing a new cordless headset on the kitchen TV ( so I can have the TV on while I’m making dinner without disturbing Mr. Kimby), I stumbled upon a Downton Abbey marathon that’s being run during the PBS fundraiser. I loved that series, and am happy to be reunited with old friends from seasons past. Not sure what season we’re in, but I suspect #1, because Sibyl is still alive, Mary does not yet like Matthew Crowley, and we just met the new chauffeur Branson. Oh, and the Turkish diplomat just died in Lady Mary’s bed.
Post by patricklondon on Dec 31, 2017 10:45:55 GMT
From one extreme to the other. For cosy, the BBC put out over Christmas a lyrical (for some tastes, too languid) adaptation of Little Women, with Emily Watson and Angela Lansbury. But last night they started the new series of Spiral (Engrenages), in which a dismembered torso is discovered in a heap of rubbish, following which the team identify a possible victim and discover his head in his bathroom, and tonight, they start a new series McMafia with James Norton (he of Happy Valley, War and Peace, and Grantchester), all about a hedge fund manager who finds himself sucked into his Russian gangster father's business.