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Post by kerouac2 on Sept 20, 2017 19:32:49 GMT
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Post by bixaorellana on Sept 20, 2017 20:09:59 GMT
This is some of the damage in Juchitán, Oaxaca that was sustained during the quake of September 7. The video is from the ninth. The announcer is saying that even though the aerial footage doesn't seem very dramatic, one in three houses was badly damaged inside. He then takes us into a house where neither the man nor his wife could locate their keys, and only escaped because the front gate of the neighbor's house collapsed. That householder and many others are sleeping in the streets. At @2:50 the upper two stories of the house shown were held up by a neighbor's tree. Nevertheless, that householder and his daughter were trapped by rubble, but were rescued:
This is Jojutla, Morelos, near the epicenter of the quake of September 19:
This is Puebla, where Htmb, Kerouac, and I were less than a year ago. Note that this video alludes to the two earthquakes that occurred on September 19:
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Post by mossie on Sept 20, 2017 20:21:13 GMT
We saw some terrible pictures on the TV news this evening, just have to feel sorry for all those people affected. Good to hear from you Bixa, at least we know you are safe.
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Post by kerouac2 on Sept 20, 2017 20:42:11 GMT
I had been looking for videos and articles about the damage in Puebla, but the principal one that I found (with the assistance of Google Translate) only talked about damage to churches in the area, as though that was the only matter of importance.
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Post by bixaorellana on Sept 20, 2017 21:03:35 GMT
Don't know if you looked at the one I posted above, but it's more about other parts of Puebla, despite the thumbnail. Probably one of the reasons they put so much emphasis on the churches is because those churches have been standing for a good 200, 300 years or more through other bad earthquakes.
Anyway, here is a short video of the downtown area where you stayed in Puebla, at the corner of 2 Oriente and 4 Norte. (address of the Hotel Imperial there is 4 Oriente Num 212)
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Post by kerouac2 on Sept 20, 2017 21:22:13 GMT
Yes, of course I watched the earlier video. The new one is not working for me at the moment, but that hotel had the best wifi that I have ever had at any hotel anywhere in the world.
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Post by bixaorellana on Sept 20, 2017 23:11:20 GMT
If that doesn't cause love for a place, I don't know what would! Belated thank you to Mossie. I was looking at the map in the BBC article linked in the OP, and am feeling huffy about how it ignores the 1931 Oaxaca earthquake. This map:
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Post by lagatta on Sept 20, 2017 23:40:13 GMT
That is just horrible. Between that and the mega-hurricanes in maritime areas...
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Post by bixaorellana on Sept 21, 2017 16:44:28 GMT
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Post by Don Cuevas on Sept 22, 2017 10:52:37 GMT
We were in Mexico City the day of the most recent earthquake, but our air flight out was at 9:05 a.m., a few hours before the quake hit.
Our several friends in the metropolitan area are safe and unharmed.
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Post by bixaorellana on Sept 22, 2017 12:48:16 GMT
Good to hear, Don C! You must have been very concerned when you found out about the quake. This is a very good article about the terrain under Mexico City and why it is so affected by earthquakes, with an excellent simulation graphic followed by a rendering of how the recent earthquake affected the area. At least this article places the blame squarely where it belongs, on the shoulders of the conquering Spaniards. Still, once again the area is referred to as an "ancient river bed", as though the city were built on it all unaware of what was there. www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/09/22/world/americas/mexico-city-earthquake-lake-bed-geology.html
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Post by bixaorellana on Sept 23, 2017 16:34:00 GMT
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Post by kerouac2 on Sept 23, 2017 16:35:27 GMT
I was just looking at the biggest quake on the map to see where it was in relation to you. This must be getting annoying.
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Post by bixaorellana on Sept 23, 2017 16:45:12 GMT
It's not affecting me too much -- the amount of alarm I felt this morning wasn't enough to make me leave my cozy bed. The city of Oaxaca has been pretty much spared. In a local online discussion of this morning's crop of earthquakes, one man said there was a tsunami in his aquarium.
I feel terrible for those living through the real continuing damage and terror. The people in Juchitán and the surrounding area must feel they are in a war zone.
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Post by bixaorellana on Sept 23, 2017 18:03:32 GMT
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Post by bjd on Sept 23, 2017 18:05:13 GMT
Glad to hear you are well, Bixa. I wonder how long these aftershocks will continue.
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Post by bixaorellana on Sept 24, 2017 2:26:58 GMT
Thanks, Bjd. People in the already badly affected areas must be beside themselves with stress and nerves. Humor endures, though. This is making the rounds on facebook ~
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Post by bixaorellana on Sept 24, 2017 4:30:03 GMT
Hmm. My sister just contacted me to see if I was okay after she heard on the news that there was another quake in Oaxaca tonight. No one around here felt anything, but indeed there were two more in this state this evening ~ earthquaketrack.com/p/mexico/recent
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Post by bixaorellana on Sept 24, 2017 4:32:13 GMT
That sister lives in McAllen, Texas & just wrote me this:
... Some privately collected hurricane supplies are being diverted to Mexico, even at request of those hit by Harvey and Irma. Several local doctors and other rescue workers have gone to Mexico City--Rio Grande Valley and Mexico ties are strong. We are getting updates on tv news nightly from them.
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Post by kerouac2 on Sept 24, 2017 5:14:20 GMT
If we did not have the internet, it would probably be almost impossible to get news about a lot of what's going on. For example, Harvey vanished from the news the moment Irma appeared. Both the printed press and television news are extremely limited for space and time. If the volcano in Bali blows up in a day or two as expected, those of us on this side of the world will probably forget that the hurricanes or earthquakes ever happened.
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Post by lagatta on Sept 24, 2017 19:41:31 GMT
I love Frida the rescue dog and have sent her story to many, however, about 30 years ago when I was a very young adult, there was a horrible fire caused by arson on the other side of my very narrow street in the southern and oldest part of the Plateau district. I had friends who lived just across from me and they were saved by their dog; meanwhile Nadja, the black cat I had then was screaming at me and almost biting me. I woke up just in time, my house full of smoke. Our furry friends saved us.
The difference is that it is almost impossible to enrol cats in rescue forces or anything else. A point for the canine side, but as Cocteau said: "Il n'y aura jamais de chats policiers".
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Post by bixaorellana on Sept 24, 2017 20:23:49 GMT
Scary story with a happy ending, LaGatta! I met a woman who said her family was saved from a fire by a pet bird. The bird began alerting them even before anyone could smell smoke. Another fun picture inspired by Frida -- I just love this! Cuando de grande quieres ser como tu héroe. / When you want to be like your hero when you grow up. When you want to be like your hero when you grow up.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 16:16:05 GMT
All these tragedies back to back are just heartbreaking.
Renders one helpless and powerless as to what one can do individually.
Back in 2006, just months after Hurricane Katrina, a significant tornado ripped and roared through our part of town It was at 3:00 a.m. I was sleeping upstairs and my husband had fallen asleep on the couch watching TV downstairs. He woke up to hear a emergency bulletin on the TV and minutes after heard the "train sound". In the meantime, before all this, our then beloved dog PoBoy who was blind at the time but adapted to his surroundings came upstairs and was ripping the bedclothes off of my bed in an attempt to wake me up. He did this twice before T. came up and dragged me downstairs to a safe area of the house. Moments later we heard crashing, banging, screaming noises just blocks away. Then it stopped. T. went out with his mag light and some emergency equipment and help people out of their homes way before emergency crews could get through. Many homes were destroyed, shifted off their foundations, roofs gone etc. This was a unprecedented event here and really scary. We were very fortunate to not have been hit by it.
I cannot fathom the grief and terror the victims of these earthquakes have endured.
I'm so glad that you are ok Bixa. As I told you, several people have contacted me inquiring as to your well being.
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Post by cheerypeabrain on Sept 25, 2017 18:50:07 GMT
It must be so frightening, I can't imagine how awful it must be for those trapped nor for those who survived yet don't know where their family or friends are, or if they've even survived. Awful awful. You must have been so scared Casimira...as you have said...we are powerless in the face of these catastrophic events.
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Post by bixaorellana on Oct 8, 2017 1:47:41 GMT
And another one. This one was close. I was standing in the kitchen & heard and felt it, but it lasted less than a second. I thought it was heavy equipment going by.
Htmb & Kerouac, you all will remember that Cuilapam is where the abandoned monastery is.
DATE: 2017-10-08
TIME: 01:21:10 (<--shown in utc)
MAGNITUDE: 4.7
EPICENTER
LATITUDE: 16.96°
LONGITUDE: -97.11°
LOCATION: 35 KM TO W OF CUILAPAM, OAXACA
DEPTH: 61.0 KM
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Post by htmb on Oct 8, 2017 2:45:26 GMT
Certainly VERY close to you. Would this one be considered an aftershock, or yet another quake? Whatever it is, I sure hope the earth settles itself very soon.
Interesting that there was an active hurricane in the gulf at the same time.
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Post by bixaorellana on Oct 8, 2017 3:13:16 GMT
Interesting that you asked that about aftershock vs. quake, as just tonight I read that seismic activities after a big quake can be considered aftershocks for up to a year afterward. I suppose experts can tell by the location of the tremor which is which.
At least Nate gave Florida a pass.
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Post by kerouac2 on Oct 8, 2017 5:20:04 GMT
These quakes do see a bit scattered around, though. I have not examined any maps of fault lines to see if they are all in the same family.
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Post by tod2 on Oct 12, 2017 15:22:23 GMT
When I was about 6/8 yrs old I remember my grandmother's house shaking and was told it was an Earth Tremor. Granma said it was because of the quarry nearby. The scariest was being in the bath when a tremor hit Durban one time. The water sloshed from side to side and the apartment block actually swayed. I really don't like the feeling and have a slight idea how you must feel Bixa when it happens.
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Post by bixaorellana on Oct 12, 2017 15:37:48 GMT
Yow! That is scarier than any of the quakes I've experienced, Tod.
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