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Post by kerouac2 on Nov 3, 2018 9:26:32 GMT
It had been under discussion for years, but we finally took the plunge in my building. Our zinc roof was pretty much leaking everywhere and was well overdue for replacement. Nobody seems to know how old the current roof is, but I would suspect that it dates from the 1930's or 40's. Reading up on zinc roofs, I saw that their lifespan is a minimum of 50 years and a maximum of 100. They are also among the most expensive to install. However, we had no choice because municipal regulations require that the same roofing material be used in the case of any building that already has a zinc roof. Paris has applied for Unesco World Heritage status for its zinc roofs (this may take years, if it ever happens), so proper upkeep is essential. We were hoping for the work to be done in June-July because of good weather. Well, that didn't happen, so then we hoped for August-September. One reason for the delay was that work could not start until at least 50% of the full cost had been received from the various owners. That bascially made us a hostage of the bank downstairs which owns about 45% of the building. And of course being "downstairs" means "no roof problems." Anyway, the company finally go the money and we were told that work would begin in the last week of October. The whole process takes about 2 months.
On October 16th, they began to deliver the scaffolding. Putting up and taking down the scaffolding is almost half of the work.
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A lot of the scaffolding is not just to make a jungle gym for the workers to scamper around, but also lots of protection for the people below. Even the pillars must be covered so that people don't rip their clothing.
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And then it was time to start the nasty stuff.
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Post by mossie on Nov 3, 2018 13:47:37 GMT
Hours of fun to come, lucky you Kerouac. Now you should be wearing a hard hat and your steel toecapped boots whenever you step outside, not forgetting the hi-vis clothing. Elfin safety can be a wonderful thing.
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Post by bixaorellana on Nov 3, 2018 16:06:48 GMT
Even the pillars must be covered so that people don't rip their clothing. Gee, Toto ~ you're not in Mexico!  No wonder you said elsewhere on the forum that you feel like you're living in a cage. That is some impressive prep work. Even though you're up under the roof with the mess and the noise, at least it looks as though your view is less obscured. The poor soul looking out at the back of the company's sign can't be too happy. Very interesting to see the work in progress. I hope for your sake this turns out to be a short-lived thread! |
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Post by kerouac2 on Nov 3, 2018 17:10:01 GMT
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Post by amboseli on Nov 3, 2018 18:31:47 GMT
2 months in the noise and dust?! Wishing you courage. I think I would go on a trip.  |
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Post by kerouac2 on Nov 3, 2018 21:57:32 GMT
If I lived on a lower floor, I would surely do so. But I can't bear to be away when they are stomping on my ceiling. You will soon see why.
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Post by bixaorellana on Nov 4, 2018 3:31:15 GMT
I can't see it in the pictures, but there must be some kind of big tube or something where they're throwing what they rip off, right?
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Post by kerouac2 on Nov 4, 2018 5:40:58 GMT
No, they collect it and carry it down the scaffolding. Particularly the zinc plates can be recycled. In any case, it is not a big enough operation for a debris chute.
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Post by kerouac2 on Nov 4, 2018 6:39:21 GMT
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Post by kerouac2 on Nov 4, 2018 6:53:34 GMT
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Post by patricklondon on Nov 4, 2018 12:05:24 GMT
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Post by bixaorellana on Nov 4, 2018 17:10:10 GMT
Ohhhh, craporama! I guess that's all the plaster and bits crumbling from between the beams. Hope all your electronics were covered!
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Post by amboseli on Nov 4, 2018 18:51:36 GMT
Those 'new events' will be frequent, I'm afraid.
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Post by kerouac2 on Nov 4, 2018 19:17:49 GMT
I'm bracing myself for tomorrow, but at least no rain is forecast this week.
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Post by kerouac2 on Nov 4, 2018 19:19:59 GMT
Ohhhh, craporama! I guess that's all the plaster and bits crumbling from between the beams. Did you at least notice in the lower left corner the gift that you brought me in July? It was not damaged, just sprinkled a little bit. |
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Post by mich64 on Nov 4, 2018 19:48:02 GMT
Thankfully no rain is in the forecast. Are you left to take care of the debris that falls into your unit? We often see roofs being repaired around town but never give too much thought to the process so this thread will be quite interesting!
A necessary repair, hopefully they are able to keep to their completion date schedule.
The condo we own did a window and patio door replacement the year before we purchased which all owners had to have completed and pay for. When there are roof repairs that comes from the condominium fee fund. Once we get to the point where they need to replace the roof (I think they project in the next 20 year period) a special assessment will be performed and each unit owner will be advised of their share to submit. We assume we will be selling the unit within the next 10 years so will probably not go through that process. Our unit is on the bottom floor that has a patio instead of a balcony, it is really quite lovely as the lawns and gardens are very well maintained.
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Post by kerouac2 on Nov 11, 2018 14:30:59 GMT
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Post by kerouac2 on Nov 11, 2018 14:35:47 GMT
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Post by bixaorellana on Nov 11, 2018 16:47:56 GMT
Did you at least notice in the lower left corner the gift that you brought me in July? It was not damaged, just sprinkled a little bit. No ~ I did not notice it the first time I looked at the picture. I guess you're getting a lot of use out of it right now -- kneeling on it to pray that this roof business will be over soon. This photo was taken by the workers. It shows my part of the roof. The wood kind of looks rotten in the picture. Was it in fact damaged by water or bugs, or does it just look that way because of being old and pried up? The new window is bigger than the old one You'll have more light ~ nice! |
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Post by kerouac2 on Nov 11, 2018 19:52:18 GMT
The wood is basically just really old. It had not seen the light of day for at least 70-80 years.
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Post by kerouac2 on Nov 11, 2018 22:11:17 GMT
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Post by bjd on Nov 12, 2018 6:22:19 GMT
Did you have to get permission to put in that roof window in the first place or did you just do it?
The facades of the building had to be redone (request from the city) as well as roof replacement were to be done at the apartment we used to own in Paris. Even for a small place out of quite a large number of tenants, our share was to be close to 20,000€. Fortunately we sold the place beforehand, even though the sale contract mentioned that the new buyer would be responsible for the costs. I don't know whether it has been started or not, not having been back to Paris for a while.
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Post by kerouac2 on Nov 12, 2018 11:14:25 GMT
Just for the roof, my share was 15,000 euros. The windows are extra (because there will be a second one on the side). Everything is officially approved. Thank god we did the façades several years ago, because they were even more expensive. There are only seven apartments in the building (plus the bank), so anything they do is expensive. If this were a normal six floor building instead of three floors, my share would obviously go down 50%.
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Post by kerouac2 on Nov 12, 2018 12:16:22 GMT
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Post by bixaorellana on Nov 12, 2018 17:45:08 GMT
the glass wool that has been put into the new roof. Wonderful! Good insulation is my religion. There were five of us on the inspection tour I think if I were a resident of your building, I'd be one who skipped the inspection tour. Looks scary up there! If traditional Paris zinc roofs did not have those raised ridges, it would be much easier to put roofs on the buildings. But they are obligatory for the aesthetics. The ridges seem functional in that they appear to be an extra layer of protection over where panels join. they can show how they overcome extremely complicated configurations. And how ~ impressive! |
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Post by kerouac2 on Nov 12, 2018 18:20:04 GMT
The ridges seem functional in that they appear to be an extra layer of protection over where panels join. Of course they are functional for that reason, but they could use much larger panels of zinc if they didn't have to respect the traditional look. Probably the original size was due to industrial constraints of the 19th century. Sort of the concept of why red bricks are one size and concrete blocks are another size. Why not make bricks the size of concrete blocks? -- Because they wouldn't look right! |
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Post by whatagain on Nov 14, 2018 22:04:39 GMT
I hope you have good glass wool. Isover is good. Rest is to be discarded - not produced by a Louis XIV approved company.
I hope your windows are double glazed coated glass. Triple glazing us better but used mostly in civilised countries ;-)
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Post by kerouac2 on Nov 21, 2018 12:42:08 GMT
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Post by kerouac2 on Nov 21, 2018 12:47:25 GMT
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Post by amboseli on Nov 21, 2018 16:01:30 GMT
They didn't close or cover the hole before they left?
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