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Post by whatagain on Apr 6, 2019 18:29:09 GMT
Ad people are easy to spot. They are different.
So we're the Jews so are the black or Arab : they are not like us. So it is easy to create or use paranoia and design them as culprits.
Migrants are different and are a threat since they would overwhelm the locals take their jobs and worst if all obligé our daughters to wear a burqa.
I hear this kind of bs regularly even from people I would not suspect if racism.
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Post by bixaorellana on Apr 6, 2019 19:33:35 GMT
I'm not sure to what part of what I wrote you are referring, Kerouac. those rigid ruling classes I wasn't referring specifically to people in power, but rather to those who identify with the powerful and consider themselves as coming from a class which allows them to rise to power. That would include, for instance, all the "honest working people", i.e. lower middle class from my own country who support Reagan & his ilk. |
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Post by kerouac2 on Apr 6, 2019 20:03:44 GMT
Same thing as far as I am concerned. If you support the rigid ruling classes, you become part of them. That's why they are so proud to talk about their support base. These people are the pedestal of power.
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Post by lagatta on Apr 6, 2019 22:16:41 GMT
Camilleri is old enough to remember when Sicilians and people from other poor Italian regions were the migrants, emigrating en masse to the Americas, northerly European countries and elsewhere.
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Post by fumobici on Apr 7, 2019 5:12:19 GMT
I've got audio files of Camilleri reading some of his Montalbano stories for RAI I think. They are wonderful tellings.
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Post by lagatta on Apr 7, 2019 11:22:22 GMT
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Post by patricklondon on Apr 7, 2019 14:15:20 GMT
Smashing bad people with an iron fist will always appeal to the powerless poor classes, who don't always have nuanced ideas. I thought it was a common feature of authoritarian movements that their activists tend to be people with some education and status who think they haven't had their due, or feel that whatever status they have is under threat, rather than the wholly downtrodden - though those who are can be swayed into blaming all their ills on whatever designated "other" is emphasised enough to them. PS: The new leader of the Italian opposition party is the brother to Luca Zingaretti, who plays..... Inspector Montalbano My blog | My photos | My video clips | My Librivox recordings"too literate to be spam" |
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Post by bjd on Apr 7, 2019 15:26:32 GMT
What you say is the theme of an essay about the French yellow vests in a recent New York Review of Books, Patrick. The author says it is not the poorest of the French who are out there, but lower middle-class, overwhelmingly white, people who have received quite a lot as their due from society (health care, free schools, welfare benefits, etc) but are afraid of "slipping back".
So far, the yellow vest movement has not displayed much racism or anti-migrant sentiment (other than that verbal attack on the Jewish philosopher in Paris), but if the right-wing or far left manage to gain more influence, I'm sure they will get nastier.
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Post by bixaorellana on Apr 7, 2019 17:15:54 GMT
Pretty much what I said in #28 & #31.
Interesting about Nicola Zingaretti, who does look like his brother.
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Post by lagatta on Apr 7, 2019 22:10:00 GMT
There are reasons to attack that philosopher - obviously I mean in debates or polemics, not physical violence or intimidation - that have little to do with his ethnicity. He is a bit of a nasty man. Those come in all colours and creeds.
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Post by bixaorellana on Aug 10, 2019 15:42:04 GMT
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Post by kerouac2 on Aug 10, 2019 15:45:04 GMT
I am waiting to see if Salvini wins his political gamble. Considering how Italy supported Berlusconi, it is quite probable that he will.
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Post by lagatta on Aug 11, 2019 7:37:02 GMT
I'm trying to read this story in Italian media such as La Repubblica, but they are all behind subscription walls... Dunno if the Vatican will carry the story itself. Here's one about the Pope from Argentina, but it is about defending migants, not the Hitler comparison: www.pagina12.com.ar/205137-pese-a-salvini-el-papa-defiende-a-los-inmigrantesNothing at the Vatican site as far as I can see... going back to bed. |
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Post by lagatta on Aug 11, 2019 8:29:16 GMT
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Post by bixaorellana on Aug 22, 2019 4:51:16 GMT
El Creepo Salvini is happily dancing in the wreckage ~ Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte announced his resignation Tuesday, blaming the collapse of his 14-month-old populist government on his rebellious and politically ambitious deputy prime minister Matteo Salvini, the leader of the nationalist League party.
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Conte said he was going to tender his resignation to President Sergio Mattarella, who might ask him to stay on in a caretaker role ahead of any new elections or while he determines if someone else can cobble together a viable government.
In the European Parliament election three months ago in Italy, as well as in current opinion polls, Salvini's right-wing League party has soared in popularity to be the No. 1 political force among Italians.Full story here: www.cbc.ca/news/world/italian-premier-quits-blames-deputy-1.5253440 |
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Post by kerouac2 on Aug 22, 2019 5:51:17 GMT
France is wondering who Italy is going to send to the G7 summit in Biarritz this weekend.
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Post by kerouac2 on Aug 29, 2019 4:05:58 GMT
Well, Matteo Salvini has been thrown in the ditch, at least temporarily. But nobody believes that the 5-Star party coalition with the left will learn to love each other.
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Post by bixaorellana on Aug 29, 2019 4:54:05 GMT
France is wondering who Italy is going to send to the G7 summit in Biarritz this weekend. At this point, France knows it's one of the few grownups in the room. |
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Post by bjd on Aug 29, 2019 5:17:27 GMT
Well, Matteo Salvini has been thrown in the ditch, at least temporarily. But nobody believes that the 5-Star party coalition with the left will learn to love each other. I hope Salvini stays in the ditch but unfortunately that's probably not going to be the case.
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Post by bjd on Aug 30, 2019 11:37:43 GMT
Justsaw this headline: "Salvini urges far-right supporters to march on Rome after bid to force election backfires "
Didn't another Italian organize a march on Rome in October 1922?
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Post by lagatta on Aug 30, 2019 12:07:24 GMT
Yep.
By the way, the Pope is holding a Synod of Bishops for the Pan-Amazon region - this was called before Bolsonaro was elected. Sorry for shifting continents, but this will piss off Salvini as well as Bolsonaro. Other than the dire crisis of the burning Amazon, the question of married priests will be raised, as likely candidates among the peoples in the region will be married family men.
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