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Post by lagatta on Apr 16, 2019 18:06:55 GMT
Wonderful of the firefighters and the gargoyles!
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Post by htmb on Apr 16, 2019 20:13:43 GMT
Stellar reporting, Kerouac. Much appreciated.
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Post by casimira on Apr 16, 2019 23:16:08 GMT
Heartbreaking it is indeed.
Than you Kerouac for your intrepid coverage.
ANY inference I hear to likening this to the Twin Towers 9/11 travesty is irresponsible, ill informed as well as being irreverent to the loved ones lost.
Without actual FACTS please refer to the Conspiracy Theory thread on here please.
Thank you.
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Post by questa on Apr 17, 2019 0:02:09 GMT
I am sorry if I have offended you, Casi. I was merely thinking of a pictorial similarity that I saw for a nano-second. I was never comparing the events themselves. Please just take my comment at face value and don't read into it inferences that I did not make. I may be irresponsible and ill informed but not, in this case, irreverent .
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Post by questa on Apr 17, 2019 0:12:09 GMT
Kerouac, Your pics show a much better coverage than the professionals gave us. Through your eyes we could see the human side of the disaster...The fireys planning the next attack with the gargoyle is a winner. as are so many others. Do you ever sell your pics?
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Post by lagatta on Apr 17, 2019 1:01:05 GMT
casimira, one reference that would not be in the slightest offensive to the dead of the WTC would be the brave and professional work of the firefighters. I did not personally know anyone who died there, as far as I know, but there were a lot of second-degree cases. A very old friend of mine freelanced with Bloomberg News, headquartered there, so I was terrified that he had died. NO, but he lost several colleagues. One of his best friends escaped just before it collapsed.
There were no dead or seriously injured in large part due to the hard work of firefighters and other first responders.
My friend will remember that day of infamy for the rest of his life, as I will remember the Polytechnique massacre (Université de Montréal engineering school) as I was writing a graduate history exam in a nearby building on campus.
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Post by mich64 on Apr 17, 2019 1:14:38 GMT
Thank you Kerouac. I knew without a doubt that you would bring us your photos and your thoughts on how citizens and visitors were making it through today.
After watching for hours yesterday, I was shocked this morning to see the photo taken inside that showed the cross still standing. From reading here how the church was designed, I now understand how that was possible. I went to bed last night feeling sad for the people, the city, the country and for Notre Dame. Today you showed the strength of Notre Dame, the strength of the first responders and the strength of the people who are surrounding and supporting each other.
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Post by bixaorellana on Apr 17, 2019 1:30:29 GMT
I did not find Questa's comment in the least bit offensive, nor did I think she was comparing the two events, other than stating a logical mind-picture triggered by the collapse of Notre Dame's tower. Furthermore, and more importantly, she has every right to say what she wishes without being pounced on.
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Post by lagatta on Apr 17, 2019 1:40:40 GMT
Mich,I presume you have shared that wonderful last picture with your husband.
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Post by Catcrazy on Apr 17, 2019 4:56:14 GMT
Thank you so much for the photos. As always, you keep us well informed.
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Post by kerouac2 on Apr 17, 2019 5:53:32 GMT
Yesterday, they already managed to remove the statue on top of the burned window, because that area is the most in danger of collapsing. This morning they will begin to remove the pieces of burned roof (with huge chunks of lead) lying on top of the vaulted roof. They want to get rid of all of the extra weight as quickly as possible.
It is probably an alarmist fear, but I read that if ever the vaulted roof collapsed, there would be a danger of the flying buttresses pushing in the walls since the whole point of them is to push against the walls to compensate for the weight of the roof. It is so easy to get paranoid about every detail! I bet all of the engineering computers are working overtime on every possible simulation.
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Post by mickthecactus on Apr 17, 2019 6:32:18 GMT
Yesterday, they already managed to remove the statue on top of the burned window, because that area is the most in danger of collapsing. This morning they will begin to remove the pieces of burned roof (with huge chunks of lead) lying on top of the vaulted roof. They want to get rid of all of the extra weight as quickly as possible. It is probably an alarmist fear, but I read that if ever the vaulted roof collapsed, there would be a danger of the flying buttresses pushing in the walls since the whole point of them is to push against the walls to compensate for the weight of the roof. It is so easy to get paranoid about every detail! I bet all of the engineering computers are working overtime on every possible simulation. That's a very interesting point K2.
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Post by Kimby on Apr 17, 2019 13:28:00 GMT
Kerouac, Your pics show a much better coverage than the professionals gave us. Through your eyes we could see the human side of the disaster...The fireys planning the next attack with the gargoyle is a winner. as are so many others. Do you ever sell your pics? K2 can you repost this one link so those of us with dinosaur internet connections can find it without using up our data allowance?
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Post by kerouac2 on Apr 17, 2019 14:12:31 GMT
I'm not quite sure what you mean except for the dinosaur part. In what form would you be able to see this without using your data allowance?
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Post by bixaorellana on Apr 17, 2019 16:00:19 GMT
It is probably an alarmist fear, but I read that if ever the vaulted roof collapsed, there would be a danger of the flying buttresses pushing in the walls since the whole point of them is to push against the walls to compensate for the weight of the roof. Probably not all that alarmist, but a logical engineering concern. Not only could the building be lost, but anyone working in and around it.
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Post by kerouac2 on Apr 17, 2019 16:56:28 GMT
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Post by kerouac2 on Apr 17, 2019 17:49:47 GMT
Meanwhile, just a year ago...
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Post by cheerypeabrain on Apr 17, 2019 17:59:06 GMT
Wow...that's fascinating Kerouac. As for stability I should imagine that the structural engineers are on it...as they remove debris they'll be shoring up (shoring...is that even a word?). The whole world is watching....
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Post by kerouac2 on Apr 17, 2019 18:21:59 GMT
Yes, they already put in some steel beams today.
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Post by Kimby on Apr 17, 2019 20:32:46 GMT
I'm not quite sure what you mean except for the dinosaur part. In what form would you be able to see this without using your data allowance? When I see your post, there’s a long list of links to the photohosting site. Rather than open each link, I was hoping for a link to that one picture that everyone’s raving about. (Lazy, I admit. But also my internet via AT&T on iPhone 6s, is really slow. Our mountain valley makes acquiring a signal iffy, even with a booster.)
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Post by kerouac2 on Apr 18, 2019 4:28:11 GMT
Oh, I get it -- one of the most annoying things about using a telephone is that they often display links instead of photos. If you don't have access to a laptop or a PC, don't worry -- the photos are not great.
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Post by bixaorellana on Apr 18, 2019 4:36:23 GMT
They are great and they are also on Anyport's facebook page, where you can Like them and also Share the post.
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Post by kerouac2 on Apr 18, 2019 6:00:13 GMT
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Post by kerouac2 on Apr 18, 2019 13:12:55 GMT
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Post by fumobici on Apr 18, 2019 14:10:17 GMT
This has been a really good local's perspective, thanks. I'd never gone inside the cathedral before, it was always too nice out, or the lines were too long, and there's an admission charge (even if it's only a donation). I always figured I could do it when I was in the area on a rainy day I guess.
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Post by kerouac2 on Apr 18, 2019 14:38:00 GMT
No, there is never any admission charge in French churches. The only admission charge was to climb the towers.
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Post by bixaorellana on Apr 18, 2019 15:12:08 GMT
Kerouac, more than anything I have seen on the news, your most recent photos give a nice sense of hope about the church's renovation. I'd never gone inside the cathedral before Fumobici, as I looked at pictures of the cathedral in flames, I selfishly thought the same thing, although I did poke my nose in. It was waaaay to crowded to actually enter and look around. Last picture in this post (#17): anyportinastorm.proboards.com/post/227371/threadI think this is an admirable and exciting move ~ At issue is whether the French government should seek to re-create the famed cathedral as it was before the blaze, sticking as close as possible to the 850-year-old structure’s pre-fire style and substance. Before Wednesday, many preservationists had assumed that it would. But Prime Minister Édouard Philippe upended expectations with an announcement of an international competition to replace the iconic spire that collapsed into Monday’s inferno. He also raised the prospect of a 21st-century twist atop a 12th-century creation. ... He questioned whether “we should re-create” the spire as it was or “as is often the case in the evolution of heritage, we should endow Notre Dame with a new spire.”
--- Kerouac pointed out earlier in this thread that the spire was not original to the cathedral -- Until Monday, it may have been impossible for visitors to imagine the cathedral without the nearly 300-foot adornment, which was made of wood, sheathed in lead and pointed to the heavens. But that particular spire was added in the mid-19th century, when Eugène Viollet-le-Duc — the leading restoration architect of his day — decided to give the already awe-inspiring cathedral a new, updated exclamation point. An earlier spire had been removed in the late 1700s after centuries of wind damage. -- read more here
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Post by kerouac2 on Apr 18, 2019 15:12:15 GMT
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Post by bixaorellana on Apr 18, 2019 15:14:45 GMT
Oh! We simul-posted, so I'm just now seeing your lovely, lovely video. That is just excellent!
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Post by kerouac2 on Apr 18, 2019 15:27:24 GMT
Naturally the debate is already raging in France about whether the cathedral should be restored "identically" or use updated material available in the 21st century. Once again it is a pro or anti Macron debate -- the right and the left insist that the restoration should be "identical" just because. Since the beams of Notre Dame came from primal forests with trees from the year 1000 and there is no longer any such thing -- the oak trees now available in France are no more than 200 years old at the most and are not at all of the same size as the trees that were used for construction -- I guess we should sit and wait for another hundred years or so, according to them. But maybe Trump will bring us some nice old sequoias in June (Is that a sturdy wood? I don't know.). Other major cathedrals in France used steel beams to replace the wood and others used concrete. Perhaps they should be torn down and redone if this is heresy. Or maybe it is just politics. Most of all, the right and the left want to prove Macron wrong in his quest to reopen Notre Dame in five years.
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