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Post by mickthecactus on Apr 18, 2019 20:52:27 GMT
Do we have a thread on this fairly important topic?
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Post by whatagain on Apr 18, 2019 21:31:58 GMT
Probably under chinese Inventions.
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Post by bixaorellana on Apr 19, 2019 4:36:32 GMT
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Post by mickthecactus on Apr 19, 2019 5:57:27 GMT
I think I’ll leave this thread here.
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Post by lagatta on Apr 19, 2019 13:20:29 GMT
Yes, as a specific subject. One thing we are seeing here is an increasing severity of spring flooding. This year too, with our very icy (as opposed to snowy) winter; the ice takes a long time to melt (outside large city centres) but then melts very suddenly when the weather heats up, and causes dramatic flooding.
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Post by mossie on Apr 19, 2019 15:50:34 GMT
Now causing very considerable disruption to traffic in London, with eco wankers glued to tube trains
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Post by mickthecactus on Apr 19, 2019 17:41:58 GMT
Wonder if they would be doing it if it was raining.
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Post by mossie on Apr 19, 2019 19:11:21 GMT
Where are Boris's water cannons now they are needed? Quite ridiculous that some actress has flown FIRST class all the way from California to join in the fun. This country has had it!!
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Post by mickthecactus on Apr 19, 2019 19:35:34 GMT
We only hear the disaster of climate change. But what about the benefits? Not newsworthy of course.
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Post by cheerypeabrain on Apr 19, 2019 20:17:12 GMT
Aha....Got to love a sceptic....er...
I will be back....
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Post by cheerypeabrain on Apr 20, 2019 7:43:55 GMT
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Post by mickthecactus on Apr 20, 2019 8:39:22 GMT
I'll go with that but still no mention of benefits.
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Post by lagatta on Apr 20, 2019 9:49:09 GMT
We had a very large demonstration on the 15th of March - mostly young people, but there were some of us old relics as well. There will be another on the 3rd of May. Nobody glued themselves to anything. Gluing oneself to public transport doesn't make sense, as climate warriors should be encouraging its use as opposed to private cars, at least in cities. And the actress should have organised something where she lives. But I have no time to waste arguing with climate sceptics. All important social movements have their silly sides. They will be fodder for future historians.
Yes, there are some benefits, but unfortunately changes at the North Pole do NOT necessarily mean warmer winters in northern regions. One real benefit here is a somewhat longer growing season, though we certainly aren't seeing that so far this spring. One could even argue that war has its benefits, speeding technological developments in transport and medecine; though of course it causes far more death and devastation.
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Post by mickthecactus on Apr 20, 2019 11:16:15 GMT
Has loss of Amazon rainforest gone out of fashion. Don’t hear anything about it these days.
Shouldn’t the eco warriors be outside the Chinese, Indian and American embassies though rather than Oxford Circus?
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Post by kerouac2 on Apr 20, 2019 11:41:53 GMT
We only hear the disaster of climate change. But what about the benefits? Not newsworthy of course. Actually, French wine producers have been buying up quite a bit of land in Great Britain, as it will become a wine region as things continue to heat up.
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Post by mickthecactus on Apr 20, 2019 12:21:01 GMT
Good to hear. Stops them building on it.
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Post by lagatta on Apr 20, 2019 12:24:18 GMT
Wine regions are increasing in Canada as well.
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Post by cheerypeabrain on Apr 20, 2019 12:50:02 GMT
Mick. Short term there might be a few nice summers in the UK.
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Post by mickthecactus on Apr 20, 2019 12:51:18 GMT
Then what?
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Post by cheerypeabrain on Apr 20, 2019 14:34:25 GMT
Nobody really knows for certain Mick. There are lots of scientific hypotheses about it tho. We had a speaker a few years ago at the astronomical society talking about the slowing gulf stream etc...I'm not a meteorologist and like everybody else I have to seek my information from trusted sources. ..this chap was a university lecturer specialising in water currents like the Gulf Stream. He presented us with some pretty scary stuff about the world running out of fresh water whilst being up to our armpits in sea water...all within 50 years. All this was 10 years or so ago and as far as I can gauge the latest data are even more alarming than the data he was originally working with!
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Post by questa on Apr 20, 2019 23:25:00 GMT
Oz and NZ got a taste of climate change back in the 60s when a great hole opened up in the ozone layer and we could feel the heat of the sun burning on our skin. So the scientists made us stop using CFCs and switch to multi factor sunscreen. The El Nino/ La Nina weather pattern went haywire and floods or droughts seemed more frequent. We are still affected in that we have a huge rate of skin cancers and melanomas.
Now the word is that the planet is running out of helium. It cannot be made so go easy on the party balloons, OK?
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Post by fumobici on Apr 21, 2019 1:20:35 GMT
Oz and NZ got a taste of climate change back in the 60s when a great hole opened up in the ozone layer and we could feel the heat of the sun burning on our skin. So the scientists made us stop using CFCs and switch to multi factor sunscreen. The El Nino/ La Nina weather pattern went haywire and floods or droughts seemed more frequent. We are still affected in that we have a huge rate of skin cancers and melanomas. Now the word is that the planet is running out of helium. It cannot be made so go easy on the party balloons, OK? A large He reserve was recently discovered in Tanzania- www.livescience.com/60607-helium-reserve-discovered-in-tanzania-photos.html#
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Post by bixaorellana on Apr 21, 2019 1:26:31 GMT
I realize I could google this, but ......... what is helium used for besides party balloons? Surely it's not put into zeppelins anymore, is it?
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Post by questa on Apr 21, 2019 6:03:42 GMT
I am not sure but I think it is part of the gas mixtures used in anaesthetics.
Of course its main use is to make your voice sound like Mickey Mouse by inhaling a breath of it then talking. Your friends will roll around laughing.
So glad they found some more.
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Post by kerouac2 on Apr 21, 2019 11:16:51 GMT
Most dirigibles still use helium. It is hydrogen that nobody is stupid enough to use anymore.
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Post by lagatta on Apr 21, 2019 15:40:06 GMT
Hasn't there been work recently to create safe dirigibles? A scientist (who moved from Toronto to Texas) on how to talk about climate change: How to talk about climate change
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Post by cheerypeabrain on Apr 22, 2019 17:57:35 GMT
Hasn't there been work recently to create safe dirigibles? A scientist (who moved from Toronto to Texas) on how to talk about climate change: How to talk about climate changeThat is an excellent article lagatta...thanks for the link.
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Post by mickthecactus on Apr 22, 2019 18:40:17 GMT
A small point. She talks about people dying in a heatwave but how many die of hypothermia in winter?
Just saying...
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Post by cheerypeabrain on Apr 22, 2019 19:26:13 GMT
Severe cold weather can be just as damaging as severe hot weather I agree. I live in quite a large city, air pollution has been getting very bad in recent years. I'm not old enough to remember the smog caused by burning coal that used to blight our lives but air pollution caused by traffic fumes has to be causing a lot of damage. Pollution is pretty much a consequence of our lifestyle... I know that there are those who argue that mother nature does worse when volcanoes erupt and fill the skies with dust..but these are natural events. In the UK we sometimes see the consequences of volcanic activity but traffic fumes are a pretty devastating phenomenon here...with the hot weather as well...today I've been into town and have had to use my asthma inhaler twice...my glasses are filthy, I must have had to clean them about ten times and that's just being around the city centre for a few hours. Litter everywhere too. I just feel like there's no way back.
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Post by lagatta on Apr 22, 2019 22:51:10 GMT
-50 and and + 50 are about equally lethal to humans and many other species without protection. Pinochet set up prison camps in the hottest and driest part of that long, narrow nation. The hot version of Stalin's death by freezer (obviously Chile was a much smaller country than the former USSR). Here, many of the same categories of people who die of hypothermia in the winter die of heat exhaustion in torrid summers.
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