Now, now, no point in exaggerating. They've already said that just about nothing will change during the transitional period, i.e. January 2021 or maybe even 2022. Trump should start sending his chlorine chicken long before then.
Friday 13th indeed. I am not surprised at the Tory win but I am by the size of it. I am also surprised that it appears the turnout was less than in 2017 at least in most of the UK although in Scotland it was slightly higher than in 2017 where the SNP won 48 seats out of 59.
I bet Dennis Skinner is looking to spend some time in his garden now as well. That's a bit of a turn up for the book, him being ousted. Just goes to show the anti-Corbyn feeling there is even in the stronger Labour areas. I disliked Skinner during the miner's strike when he was supporting Scargill and I/we/us/Notts miners refused for various reasons to go out on strike, but years later he grew on me somewhat. Not necessarily politically, but more for his character.
I admit to being very surprised by the result, but because the Corbynista Marxists have taken over the patriotic Labour Party of the past so it should not have been a surprise. Have always had time for Dennis Skinner because he is not afraid to speak his mind. Thank goodness that election is done and Boris has a strong hand to get on with things instead of the interminable wrangling and hypocritical double dealing we have endured over the past few years.
Man is not lost, only temporarily uncertain of his position
I agree. Even though those of us on the continent generally have more affinities with Labour, it would have been unbearable if they had won, because the process would have been delayed again while it has become clear that the current version of the UK is totally toxic to the rest of Europe. When the UK comes back in 5 or 10 years, at least they will not be allowed all of the exceptions that they obtained in the past.
Apparently Angela Merkle has said "chapeau" to Boris with an imaginary doff.
A thought occurred to me. I usually have one a day, that's about it. But follow me through on this sort of logic - we all knew that a vote for Boris was a vote to get Brexit completed and us out of the EU. He made his position clear on that and it would be made easier if he had a majority, which he has now. A vote for Corbyn was possibly to put a spanner in the works, prevaricate and more than likely do all possible to remain. He never seemed to quite make his position clear on that though, but it was naturally thought, in simple terms, Tory to leave and Labour to remain.
There was never much choice other than those two and as Brexit was the main topic, I think most people would vote depending on their preference for leave or stay. Now, some time ago we had a referendum, remember that I'm sure, as to that issue and the Leavers won - but many were up in arms about it and kicked up a stink. Partly they said that had more young people turned out it would have been a different result. All the 16 and 17 year olds who didn't have a voice. The old and decrepit going to vote swayed the true feeling of the nation.
A) How many of those who voted to remain, now voted for Boris, knowing full well it went against their beliefs? So why? B) Isn't it fair to surmise that a lot of those who didn't vote in the referendum now voted in the election? And also the 16/17 year olds who now could vote - And made it quite clear they are for leaving? A quick look at figures, and I hope they are accurate enough, show that 14 million more people voted in the election than the referendum.
Can you conclude from that, that there were actually millions of people wanting to leave, but didn't vote? Can't say that all of them would have voted to leave, but it seems to show those who kept saying that the UK did really want to stay and the referendum vote wasn't an accurate reflection of the mood of the nation, were talking out of their arse? Wishful thinking?
In short, this election, hinging on the issue of the EU, was another referendum of sorts and showed in totality what the opinion of the populace is/was?
Well, there IS that little detail of all of the lies that were told, but that is a problem in every country, and I am very sorry to say that social media have made it much easier to spread lies. Schools are now teaching children to question most of what they see on the internet, but even if it works, these kids won't be voting for at least another 10 years.
One thing I heard today on the news was that the Conservatives with their simple "get Brexit done" line did their marketing better than Labour who were not particularly clear on where they stood, how they were going to pay for everything, etc.
So certainly a combination of getting Brexit done (although it's just the beginning of negotiations), general fed-up-with-it attitudes, and the fact that Corbyn seemed toxic to many people.
However, one graph I saw showed the youth vote as overwhelmingly for Labour and the older voters (over 55 and especially over 65, overwhelmingly Tory.
Post by cheerypeabrain on Dec 13, 2019 19:17:52 GMT
Leicester City has remained Labour...but we're surounded by a sea of blue. It means that the city will continue to be starved of funds for social services and other essential works whilst Tory councils are rewarded. Twas ever thus. In the East Midlands region that Leicester is a part of 52% of the overall vote went to the Tories. This government is more right wing nationalist than even Thatcher's lot. I'm angry with Labour for failing us all.
In the Midlands the 'Working Class' voters have voted Conservative because they feel that Labour no longer represented them, they tended to be Leave voters. A huge number of middle class, university educated professionals (voted Remain)traditionally Liberal Democrat and Tory voters, voted Labour!...but not in enough numbers.
My old area, which was Labour for as long as I can remember it, has now changed over.
I'd love to see study showing how many changed their vote because of Corbyn being the main reason or because of now being so fed up with the whole saga of Bexit that they just wanted to get it over with. I understand it may be a combination of both, just wondering which was the main motivator. Or what was.
Might go a small way to explaining it. As for leadership, put Boris' complete commitment to Brexit against Corbyn's unprincipled-looking waffling. Even if you are leaning left, only one of those says "leadership". Corbyn's only path to becoming PM was to run as a staunch and unwavering remainer from the get go post-Referendum.
I heard Corbin is quite older than Bojo too. I'd vote more and more for the young. They are the Ines who will have to cope with the mess we have been accumulating since 2-3 generations. They are more likely to pay attention to ecology than my generation.
I read the Daily Mail. Yes, I do. I also read the heavy hitters. I treat it as akin to having a good heavy meal then having a light dessert at the end. Something not to be taken seriously but it is always an education of sorts to see what else is happening. I feel it is worthless to just read one source of information otherwise you get a blinkered view, and even if another source is biased and over the top, it can be entertaining and occasionally informative.
I noticed today the comment regarding why Corbyn lost was attributed to the following - "Deep down, we are a patriotic, small-c conservative nation. We are cautious, grumpy and suspicious of change, but we are also honest, pragmatic and tolerant of difference. We hate being patronised, nannied and told what to do. We despise ideology, we don't like being bribed and we hate being taken for fools. We despise bigots and bullies, even when they dress up as high-minded martyrs. And though we like to moan, nobody should doubt that we love our country. Jeremy Corbyn never understood that. But Boris Johnson did. And that, above all, is why he won."
I also read in different places those who have decided the election "was not fair" and there is/was a rather ineffectual protest near Downing Street trying to overthrow Boris.
I always get a Daily Wail when I do my twice a week Waitrose shop and sit and read it cover to cover in the cafe. i always tell people that every word is true and gospel. Actually I have The Times delivered every day so it makes an interesting comparison. Not Cheery's cup of tea no doubt but it is a useful check on the BBC news, which ever since the War has been a religion. Nowadays it can get a bit hysterical.
Man is not lost, only temporarily uncertain of his position
Post by cheerypeabrain on Dec 14, 2019 17:41:20 GMT
I wouldnt give the Daily Mail house room
I found it a bit strange that labour party members voted Corbyn into the leadership role and then promptly turned their backs on him. The shadow cabinet pretty much loathed him as they'd assumed that one of their clique would be elected as labour leader. As soon as the shadow cabinet started throwing their toys out of their prams the media went for the jugular...the poor sod didn't stand a chance. That's what I think anyway. He's no worse than any of the other shower and better than most imo.
He was a bit too far left for some...too much of a socialist. We like the idea of socialism but we much prefer capitalism as a society. The class system still keeps us all in our place. I'm not happy but The People have spoken.
Post by cheerypeabrain on Dec 14, 2019 19:13:22 GMT
Now the election is done we should maybe put our differences aside and concentrate on the things we have in common rather than our differences. The past few years have been so divisive...I don't know about other families but we've had some real, stand on the chair shouty rows. (Mostly about the biggies like Brexit and immigration). I hope that we get back on an even keel and start building up social care and increase funding for schools etc...