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Post by tod2 on Jan 21, 2021 12:19:24 GMT
I am so pleased for you Mossie. Please remember this is only the beginning and I'm not too clued up on this vaccine thing, but I hear you are still very susceptible to Covid germs. Don't drop your guard one little bit.
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Post by htmb on Jan 21, 2021 13:00:59 GMT
Glad to hear, Mossie!
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Post by casimira on Jan 21, 2021 13:32:05 GMT
Fantastic news Mossie!!!
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Post by bixaorellana on Jan 21, 2021 18:18:25 GMT
Most relieved to be getting my jab tomorrow. Having had 9 sides of closely typed A4 telling me that I am about to die and to keep away from any other form of life it makes a change. That letter incidentally had two signatures, pipsqueak Jenrick, and Matt, who I believe is the cartoonist in the Daily Torygraph Hooray, Mossie! Even though I want everyone protected from Covid and have a particular interest in your protection just because I like you, as a lover of fine writing I believe you, as the author of the above, are particularly deserving of every kind of protection and appreciation.
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Post by lugg on Jan 21, 2021 21:05:32 GMT
I am so pleased for you Mossie - great news .
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Post by lugg on Jan 21, 2021 21:27:42 GMT
Apologies if this post is a rambling ...My daughter continues to improve and recover from Covid but she is now having to cope with trying to do the best thing for her friend. They became positive at the same time, both lived alone and so decided to form a support bubble to look after each other and he moved into her home. Her friend is not doing so great, now over a week after testing positive he is still feverish, barely eating (but is drinking), sleeping 20 hrs out of 24hrs . She phoned for advice from our UK NHS 111 advice line tonight and a doctor called her back and advised her to call the emergency services to take him to hospital. Her friend has refused permission for her to do this, so she is left between a rock and a hard place. I have tried to get him to talk to me with no luck and he won't talk to any of his family members. Of course I have tried to offer her good advice but I mostly I wish I could go give her a hug. We will see what tonight / tomorrow brings and I am really hoping he is feeling better, mostly for her sake. When he is better I will have to hold off giving him a piece of my mind and remember he was ill.
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Post by questa on Jan 21, 2021 21:31:54 GMT
Hooray, Mossie! Even though I want everyone protected from Covid and have a particular interest in your protection just because I like you, as a lover of fine writing I believe you, as the author of the above, are particularly deserving of every kind of protection and appreciation. What she said! As with so many things, Mossie leads the pack for us. All the very best, Mate.
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Post by mickthecactus on Jan 21, 2021 21:57:12 GMT
Not rambling at all lugg. That is a serious situation which I hope gets resolved quickly.
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Post by htmb on Jan 21, 2021 22:01:06 GMT
Apologies if this post is a rambling ...My daughter continues to improve and recover from Covid but she is now having to cope with trying to do the best thing for her friend. They became positive at the same time, both lived alone and so decided to form a support bubble to look after each other and he moved into her home. Her friend is not doing so great, now over a week after testing positive he is still feverish, barely eating (but is drinking), sleeping 20 hrs out of 24hrs . She phoned for advice from our UK NHS 111 advice line tonight and a doctor called her back and advised her to call the emergency services to take him to hospital. Her friend has refused permission for her to do this, so she is left between a rock and a hard place. I have tried to get him to talk to me with no luck and he won't talk to any of his family members. Of course I have tried to offer her good advice but I mostly I wish I could go give her a hug. We will see what tonight / tomorrow brings and I am really hoping he is feeling better, mostly for her sake. When he is better I will have to hold off giving him a piece of my mind and remember he was ill. That IS a difficult situation. I hope things improve soon. I’m not sure what I’d do. Defy his wishes at some point, I guess, and let emergency services see if they can influence him. It’s good your daughter is recovering. He’s certainly put her into a difficult position.
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Post by cheerypeabrain on Jan 21, 2021 22:46:07 GMT
Gosh how awful Lugg, does he realise how rapidly the disease can become severe? Your daughter must be so worried poor lamb...I hope he comes to his senses swiftly. Look after yourself too dearie. X
I am as pleased as a pleased thing that you are to get your jab Mossie dear
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Post by questa on Jan 21, 2021 23:30:42 GMT
It is clear that he needs medical help. It is clear that he has put her (in her recovering time)in a bad position for all of you. He is not in a position to endanger others health by refusing a full medical check for himself. It is time for you to get tough...Oz style...cut to the chase. Talk to someone with clout...Doctor, Ambo, Reg.Nurse etc and get them to at least assess him and refer. Tell him if he refuses this, a doctor can "section him" ie hospitalise him against his will for endangering himself or others.(you probably have the same laws as we have) It is not easy to be harsh, but you must use the nasty words like "dying" and "death" to convince him of the seriousness of the situation. You may have to keep at it and nag him to at least get a checkup done.
I'm speaking from experience here. "tough as nails" friend went into liver failure. Took me 4 days to get him to go to hospital. Specialist said he would have died 2 days later. As for your (superior) treatment for current situation. Get a large sheet, drape it over sofa, sit daughter on sofa, cover completely with sheet, Hug for as long as you like. Remove sheet carefully keeping her side folded inwards. Wash sheet.
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Post by bixaorellana on Jan 22, 2021 0:28:12 GMT
Her friend is not doing so great, now over a week after testing positive he is still feverish, barely eating (but is drinking), sleeping 20 hrs out of 24hrs . She phoned for advice from our UK NHS 111 advice line tonight and a doctor called her back and advised her to call the emergency services to take him to hospital. Oh Lugg, I know this is making you twice as worried about your daughter! Based on what I've been told by my family member who was hospitalized with covid, I suspect your daughter's friend is most probably not aware that he is sleeping that much and that he is not eating enough. My family member was "lucky" in being in a situation once out of the hospital where she was gently manipulated and pushed to get up out of bed and dress, and then start attending meals on a schedule. She told me that she had not known that she had essentially retired to the bed and that she was unaware of missing meals or of being hungry. This is all to say that I don't think your daughter's friend is being stubborn, but is living out an illness-related altered reality. When my family member was recuperating (but still in bed & refusing meals), she was too weak to talk on the phone for more than 60 seconds, literally. As she got a little stronger, she was relating things that never actually happened -- things which she now knows were delusions caused by the illness. The point is, I don't think regular logic and explanations are reaching the friend right now. What is frustrating is that his illness and how it affects him is preventing him from doing the very things that would help him start getting better. What is he drinking -- just plain water, or juices, or beverages such as sports drinks? I don't know how your daughter is going to keep up her own health if she is having to prepare sandwiches or whatever & bring them bedside along with drinks in an attempt to cajole the other patient. His being in her house is problematic. Otherwise there might be one of his family members who would be willing to risk moving in with him at his home to care for him. My unsolicited opinion is that your daughter, as the only fully functioning adult at that address right now, does need to call emergency services and let them determine what needs to be done.
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Post by mich64 on Jan 22, 2021 2:12:17 GMT
Very happy for you Mossie, that is excellent news.
Lugg, I am sorry, I can not imagine what you are all going through. It sounds like he is gripped with fear of going into hospital. Perhaps he has become dehydrated, his judgement seems compromised. I hope she sees signs of improvement tomorrow.
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Post by htmb on Jan 22, 2021 3:25:10 GMT
The problem of course is getting there, getting anywhere. I'm right next door, within walking distance, of a fine hospital but the hospital isn't vaccinating on site. It's doing a drive in operation far away. I'm not worried. Something will work out. After all, at mid-level and low-level Americans are efficient. It's just elected officials and the Capitol Police Force who are incompetent. Huckle, you’ve probably heard this information, but mentioning it just in case. Some, if not all, Florida County Health Departments are coordinating with Emergency Medical Services so paramedics and firefighters can go into homes of registered citizens (by appointment) to give vaccinations to folks in situations similar to yours.
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Post by mossie on Jan 22, 2021 7:37:53 GMT
Sorry to hear your situation Lugg, it is so difficult to deal with obstinate people like that. He needs a good kick up the backside which might just bring him to his senses. Come on Mark, you know how to deal with these types.
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Post by onlyMark on Jan 22, 2021 10:59:12 GMT
I'll do it willingly with my own family but I wouldn't presume to pass an opinion or interfere with anyone else's, even if I understand the sentiment. I think that's how you lose friends very quickly, so I've learnt. A friend of mine said he liked how friends can always tell you how it is, then I berated him one evening for having a few drinks and driving his girlfriend home on his motorbike. He told me to not stick my nose in and hardly ever spoke to me again. He couldn't get past the thought that it was 'none of my business' to the fact that he'd done a wrong thing.
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Post by tod2 on Jan 22, 2021 14:04:29 GMT
Today I had to leave home for a small shop around. What I noticed the most was the amount of face masks on offer were about 10 times more than a month or two back.
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Post by bjd on Jan 22, 2021 14:13:12 GMT
I heard on the radio that homemade masks will no longer be allowed in France.I suppose we have to buy those big synthetic ones like they have to use in Germany.
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Post by kerouac2 on Jan 22, 2021 14:49:28 GMT
They have said that the surgical blue masks are the best for us. They are cheap and efficient, and there is no point in using the expensive hospital masks now required in Bavaria and Austria (price difference 1 euro vs 0.10 euro max). And the surgical masks can be washed from 10 to 50 times. But yes, they said to stop using homemade masks which are iffy at best. I don't think that anybody is going to be arrested for wearing one.
Meanwhile, I did take a look at the official website to see where my closest vaccination site will be when my turn comes. I was pleased to see that there is one at the "104" -- easy walking distance from my place, only 10 minutes.
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Post by mossie on Jan 22, 2021 15:23:49 GMT
Jab done this morning in a very efficient operation. Took about 45 mins, including a 15 minute rest afterwards to check if any side effects, of which none.
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Post by htmb on Jan 22, 2021 15:34:40 GMT
That’s wonderful news, Mossie!
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Post by htmb on Jan 22, 2021 15:36:33 GMT
They have said that the surgical blue masks are the best for us. They are cheap and efficient, and there is no point in using the expensive hospital masks now required in Bavaria and Austria (price difference 1 euro vs 0.10 euro max). And the surgical masks can be washed from 10 to 50 times. But yes, they said to stop using homemade masks which are iffy at best. I don't think that anybody is going to be arrested for wearing one. Meanwhile, I did take a look at the official website to see where my closest vaccination site will be when my turn comes. I was pleased to see that there is one at the "104" -- easy walking distance from my place, only 10 minutes. I’ve never purchased the surgical blue masks and had no idea they could be washed. These are what would be considered “disposable” masks?
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Post by kerouac2 on Jan 22, 2021 15:55:20 GMT
Yes, disposable after washing multiple times. I am still on my first package of 10, a gift from the region of Ile de France (Valérie Pécresse). I bought my very first one at my pharmacy for 5 euros when robbing customers was still acceptable.
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Post by tod2 on Jan 22, 2021 16:22:26 GMT
If our government handed out free regulation masks someone would be making money on the side. Otherwise the same old "breathed into" numerous times over the months and probably never washed because you always had to wear a mask wherever you went - will stay hanging loosely around the ears and around the chin most of the time.
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Post by bjd on Jan 22, 2021 16:42:44 GMT
Oh good, if it's the ordinary blue masks that are acceptable. I did hear a French doctor interviewed who said they were fine since they are surgical masks. And indeed, we were told they can be washed several times in hot water.
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Post by kerouac2 on Jan 22, 2021 17:11:08 GMT
I generally throw a few in the washing machine with my other clothes.
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Post by lugg on Jan 22, 2021 21:02:16 GMT
Thank you all, I did read your replies last night and got a lot of comfort and perspective from them. ... My daughters friend is better today albeit we spent a mostly sleepless night last night but today his temp is reduced , he is moving around more and eating/ drinking more. Maybe it was the thought he would otherwise have to go to hospital ? but whatever I am mostly relieved for Em and hoping she can get a good nights sleep tonight. Now we just have to worry about her friend's Dad who is in ITU being ventilated.
Questa - your sheet idea is very enticing.
So pleased Mossie that you got your jab x
The UK government has suggested today that the new variant may be more deadly. This is the first time I have read about this but it certainly rings true for me /my part of the UK where the death rate is higher / the number of ITU beds required is higher than ever before.
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Post by tod2 on Jan 23, 2021 7:22:46 GMT
Oh Lugg it is very pleasing and somewhat comforting to learn the the friend is taken a corner and is showing signs of recovery. She must encourage him to move as much as possible and try deep breathing a few times a day. All info gleaned from doctors on the internet. I would worry a lot about the friends father. Being in ITU on a ventilator is not a happy place. Lets hope for the best and that he is fit enough to fight off the virus. We are all rooting for your family.
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Post by cheerypeabrain on Jan 23, 2021 18:23:32 GMT
Thank goodness..hope that your daughter gets some rest at last Lugg x
The General Medical Council (which is the doctors' professional body) has questioned the government decision to have 12 weeks between the first and second Pfizer vaccines, not 3 weeks as recommended by the manufacturer the GMC want to reduce the gap to 6 weeks.
Over 97,000 vivid deaths recorded in the UK now. Horrific.
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Post by bjd on Jan 23, 2021 18:59:41 GMT
In France too the government is considering extending the period between the two shots in order to cover more people with at least one, but they are talking about 6 weeks and not 12. Although a majority of the French were supposedly anti-vaccine, now that there aren't enough, they are all complaining.
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