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Post by kerouac2 on Jul 22, 2021 15:21:55 GMT
I hope he didn't think it was a waste of time.
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Post by htmb on Jul 22, 2021 19:26:00 GMT
I had my annual physical today and my doctor told me it was time to return to mask wearing inside public spaces such as the gym and the grocery store. We are seeing high numbers of the D variant in our community. While many recent cases have been hospitalized, it seems most of those were unvaccinated. Meanwhile, she personally knows of several vaccinated people, including a colleague, who caught covid and were miserably sick, though not poorly enough to require hospitalization.
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Post by bjd on Jul 22, 2021 19:46:12 GMT
I hope he didn't think it was a waste of time. No, he liked it very much and said the combination of very large pictures, plus the music and the pools of black water made the whole experience very different from seeing the pictures in a museum.
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Post by whatagain on Jul 23, 2021 11:56:52 GMT
My oldest got a positive antigenic test. She is totally asymptomatic. And we just spent 3 days and 2 nights together...
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Post by bixaorellana on Jul 23, 2021 15:20:38 GMT
I had my annual physical today and my doctor told me it was time to return to mask wearing inside public spaces such as the gym and the grocery store. We are seeing high numbers of the D variant in our community. While many recent cases have been hospitalized, it seems most of those were unvaccinated. Meanwhile, she personally knows of several vaccinated people, including a colleague, who caught covid and were miserably sick, though not poorly enough to require hospitalization. Well, hell! I think all of us are wondering how you & Huckle are faring there in Florida, as it seems your elected officials are determined to put you in harm's way. No surprise about the doctor recommending indoor mask wearing. Florida doctors must all be wringing their hands in frustration. Have you begun curtailing your activities, or were you already semi-isolating again? My oldest got a positive antigenic test. She is totally asymptomatic. And we just spent 3 days and 2 nights together... Oh dear, Whatagain. What prompted your daughter to get a test? Also, what are you going to do now?
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Post by whatagain on Jul 23, 2021 15:53:54 GMT
We are all self quarantaining.
No contact with people for a week. Masks. Good that we are all vaccinated 2 doses, but qtill we could give it to others.
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Post by kerouac2 on Jul 23, 2021 15:58:32 GMT
Something tells me that you are already fully stocked with food and wine.
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Post by whatagain on Jul 23, 2021 16:10:41 GMT
Something tells me that you are already fully stocked with food and wine. 😁😁😁
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Post by htmb on Jul 23, 2021 16:22:26 GMT
My doctor worked herself into quite a rage just talking about covid, the governor, the FDA, and the idiot anti-vaxers. She’s typically pretty subdued, so this was the first time I’d seen her so frustrated.
I haven’t been self-isolating on purpose, but have had a lot going on that’s kept me at home. I did meet a former colleague for lunch inside a restaurant, but people were pretty spread out. Going to the gym is my biggest risk, which I’ve known all along.
So, I’ll go back to the gym today wearing a mask, but I’m not happy about it. (I also keep my hands very clean and off my face….have always done this at the gym). I’m just wondering how long it’s going to take before the other 50% starts changing their tune. I’m FB friends with many of my former high school classmates, but I have the majority blocked so I don’t have to read their right wing conservative crap. Yesterday I happened to see a question one had posted (early spring 2021), asking who’d planned to get the vaccine. I read through the replies and it seemed about 1/3 were getting vaccinated. The rest were against it, though some seemed to be waffling. The main anti-vax reason given echoed this: "We are very healthy for our age, and take vitamin supplements. We also never get the flu and have never had a flu shot, so we are in good shape. Our immune systems will fight off the virus."
These people just don’t get it.
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Post by bixaorellana on Jul 23, 2021 16:39:52 GMT
Hope all is well, Whatagain.
Htmb, I can well imagine that doctors can feel their heads exploding over the blithe idiocy of a public deliberately ignoring real information.
Like you, I've repeatedly heard the bit about good immune systems, etc. For these morons who "don't believe" in the virus &/or the vaccine, couldn't they just treat it the way we treat having to attend religious services? If you don't believe in god or in organized religion, you still go to the church to watch your niece get married. It won't kill you & it makes everything nice for everyone else. Sheesh!
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Post by casimira on Jul 23, 2021 18:23:32 GMT
NOLA has had a dramatic spike of positive cases of the Delta variant. I know of 2 people personally who have tested positive this past week. One is a woman neighborhood friend, age 50, fully vaccinated, and, she started to feel sick, fever, severe cold/flu like symptoms. The other, a 4 year old from our neighborhood who we know well. His family was planning a birthday party for him this weekend when he suddenly became ill. Apparently, one of his playmates at his preschool daycare had the virus and it was transmitted to him and who knows how many other children and or parents etc. His birthday party obviously had to be cancelled. Poor little tyke. I feel so bad for him.
The mayor has issued a mask "advisory" but, I truly believe that it will become a mandate real soon.
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Post by kerouac2 on Jul 23, 2021 18:40:26 GMT
Contamination figures are continuing to skyrocket in France but only among the unvaccinated. Most of them are rushing to get vaccinated as soon as possible... and then there are the others.
It was interesting in the national assembly last night when they were voting on the mandatory places for the covid pass as of August 1st. In a preliminary vote, an amendment was passed to exempt visitors to hospitals and nursing homes. It didn't pass by much, but still! So the Minister of Health came charging back and made the point that "you have approved requiring the pass to go to restaurants and bars and yet you don't want it in places where the aged and sick are most in need of being in a safe place?" So a new vote was held, and the amendment was reversed.
People still have understandable qualms about "What if somebody is dying? Will you refuse entry to unvaccinated family members?" But I think it is pretty clear that using common sense should be sufficient in cases like that.
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Post by htmb on Jul 23, 2021 20:29:42 GMT
One thing I don’t understand is why covid vaccines for adults are still at the “emergency use only" level in the US. I’ve heard that once the vaccines are approved for use other than "emergencies" institutions such as the US military will require vaccination of all active and reserve members. My hope is that, eventually, vaccination will become required in all schools, hospitals, and other public institutes. I just don’t understand why the FDA is taking so long to move to the next level.
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Post by kerouac2 on Jul 23, 2021 20:52:18 GMT
I don't even know what the official status is in France. I don't think they would call it "emergency" but it might be "conditional" or "temporary" approval or something like that, which isn't really a better term. I would imagine that the usual protocol has something to do with a longer testing period before final approval, but we all know they didn't have time for that.
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Post by htmb on Jul 23, 2021 21:48:33 GMT
Interesting, the comments “deathSantis” has made this week, claiming we are in a seasonal cycle, "we have a summer season here," and that’s why Florida is currently leading the US in new covid cases. Like, maybe winter is Canadian tourist season and summer is covid season? For real. Sounds like a fine 2024 presidential candidate, to me.
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Post by htmb on Jul 23, 2021 22:15:17 GMT
We are all self quarantaining. No contact with people for a week. Masks. Good that we are all vaccinated 2 doses, but qtill we could give it to others. So sorry to hear this, whatagain. I hope you all stay well and can just enjoy your week together.
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Post by fumobici on Jul 24, 2021 1:20:34 GMT
One thing I don’t understand is why covid vaccines for adults are still at the “emergency use only" level in the US. I’ve heard that once the vaccines are approved for use other than "emergencies" institutions such as the US military will require vaccination of all active and reserve members. My hope is that, eventually, vaccination will become required in all schools, hospitals, and other public institutes. I just don’t understand why the FDA is taking so long to move to the next level. Given it can often take as long as six years to complete all the trials to fully approve a new vaccine, I don't think it's been unreasonably slow. We should start to see vaccines given full approval this fall/winter (thanks to the unusually copious data quickly amassing). Then the government will be in a much stronger position to compel people to be vaccinated for work and various activities. The FDA has a policy of not making medicines under EUA eligible to be broadly compulsory so there are limits on what can be done under the EUA.
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Post by htmb on Jul 24, 2021 1:40:00 GMT
I’m sure you’re right. I’m just being impatient.
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Post by casimira on Jul 24, 2021 14:20:20 GMT
Sorry to hear this whatagain. Hopefully the week will pass by quickly. Hang in there.
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Post by whatagain on Jul 24, 2021 14:38:00 GMT
Thanks all. Silly thing is that since she got infected at work, they all are and the restaurant closed. So she is at home but we can't really benefit from it. Second silly thing is that we delay our departure to southern France so as to observe if she does or not a mild Covid.
Grrr.
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Post by kerouac2 on Jul 24, 2021 14:41:56 GMT
Is that the same southern France where covid is raging because of the tourists and they had to bring back curfews and masks outdoors?
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Post by whatagain on Jul 24, 2021 16:43:36 GMT
Could be Kerouac. The place that last i went to nobody was wearing masks or all below the nose.
We will see...
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Post by htmb on Jul 26, 2021 14:17:11 GMT
As the number of Covid-19 cases surges in the United States, more than 50 health care groups -- including the American Medical Association, the American College of Physicians, the American Academy of Pediatrics and the American Public Health Association -- issued a joint statement calling for all health care and long-term care employers to mandate employees be vaccinated against Covid-19.www.cnn.com/2021/07/26/health/vaccine-mandate-health-care-workers/index.htmlSounds good to me. I don’t want to be around any healthcare workers who are unvaccinated. If I’m being seen as a patient, I presumably already have other worrying health issues.
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Post by kerouac2 on Jul 26, 2021 14:46:39 GMT
We'll see how the new French law goes (making vaccination obligatory for health employees). At the latest demonstration, there were more opponents than ever, but the problem is that they are mostly opposing the existence of the president and any rules that he makes (even though it is parliament that they elected which is making the rules).
No big deal -- every other country seems to be facing the same opposition for variable reasons. The Netherlands just closed all of its discotheques again and banned all 'multiple day' festivals due to a 600% rise in infections. It seems to be saying "oops" to have lifted the restrictions too fast.
All European eyes are on Great Britain, of course, after "Freedom Day."
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Post by htmb on Jul 26, 2021 16:27:47 GMT
I watched a lot of the recent Paris demonstration on a live-feed (Champs-Élysées area). Of course, this is my generalization, but what I saw were mostly very young adults, seemingly disorganized as a group, who looked like they were searching for some excitement on a Saturday afternoon/evening. Making vaccination mandatory for people who want to attend certain venues, etc, seems to have really gotten their attention.
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Post by whatagain on Jul 26, 2021 16:28:21 GMT
Tomorrow land and pukkel pop have been canceled in Belgium.
I did an antigenic test and our youngest too, we are both negative.
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Post by kerouac2 on Jul 26, 2021 17:07:03 GMT
I was watching the international news on some channel -- don't remember which one -- CNN, BBC, I24, Aljazeera, who knows? -- and they were showing the demonstrations in Ireland against the vaccine pass which will be required for restaurants and bars there. They had the same signs as in France with Jewish stars and the words 'nazi dictatorship' everywhere. Somebody is feeding this stuff into peoples' minds.
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Post by kerouac2 on Jul 29, 2021 18:15:09 GMT
Janssen and AstroZeneca are selling their vaccines at cost price while Pfizer and Moderna are earning billions and even increasing their prices. This could be stopped if the concerned governments had any balls.
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Post by bixaorellana on Jul 29, 2021 19:30:25 GMT
I don't feel like looking it up, but maybe a week and a half ago there was an article reporting that Pfizer was promoting booster shots (I think in the US) at six months after the initial two. Scientists & those in govt. agencies quickly stepped up to say "Not so fast, Pfizer!".
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Post by htmb on Jul 29, 2021 19:33:17 GMT
Israel seems to be on track for Pfizer boosters for over 60s.
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