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Post by kerouac2 on Aug 17, 2021 20:39:44 GMT
Isn't your vaccination information online so you shouldn't need the paper?
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Post by rikita on Aug 17, 2021 21:56:08 GMT
not sure, they also emailed me things, but to see that i have to sign up for something and not yet sure i want to ... i know they gave me a paper with a qr code though, just that was at the time when i was traveling back and forth between my mom's and my home and other places, and i guess i put the paper someplace i thought was very logical and easy to find again ...
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Post by bjd on Aug 18, 2021 6:22:23 GMT
My vaccination information still doesn't work online -- I tried again yesterday. Fortunately I have a paper and the info in my phone.
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Post by lagatta on Aug 18, 2021 17:51:58 GMT
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Post by tod2 on Aug 19, 2021 7:23:11 GMT
Yes I totally agree Lagatta. Good for him speaking out like that. We need all the positive words for a vaccination the world can muster.
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Post by rikita on Aug 19, 2021 19:48:03 GMT
long before there was a vaccination i used to think that if only there was one, all would be fine, and it did not even occur to me that anyone might not want it, except maybe for a few people who are generally anti vaccinations ... by now, i doubt it will be possible to convince many more of those that aren't vaccinated yet. i know quite a few people who aren't and don't want to be vaccinated ...
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Post by bixaorellana on Aug 19, 2021 22:59:59 GMT
It is beyond my comprehension why anyone without a legitimate medical reason otherwise would refuse the vaccine. Honestly, I know some people who won't get it and it has made them go down in my estimation.
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Post by questa on Aug 20, 2021 0:26:49 GMT
I have held this morsel of news until I could check it...it seems hard to believe. Last Monday they opened the system for 16 to 40 year age group to make bookings for jabs...no testing, just bookings... right? One hundred thousand and sixty bookings were made
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Post by fumobici on Aug 20, 2021 2:39:57 GMT
long before there was a vaccination i used to think that if only there was one, all would be fine, and it did not even occur to me that anyone might not want it, except maybe for a few people who are generally anti vaccinations ... by now, i doubt it will be possible to convince many more of those that aren't vaccinated yet. i know quite a few people who aren't and don't want to be vaccinated ... Stupid and stubborn walk hand-in-hand.
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Post by kerouac2 on Aug 20, 2021 3:32:11 GMT
I think that some people are using this as their defining moment of "Nobody tells me what to do" or "I can think for myself." Unfortunately, they have chosen the incorrect defining moment.
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Post by tod2 on Aug 20, 2021 9:14:42 GMT
Last Monday they opened the system for 16 to 40 year age group to make bookings for jabs.. May I add onto that.... Last night we got the go ahead for 18 upwards! This is what we have been waiting for as some of our staff are below the current age group of 30 upwards. The reason is as so many of you have said, there is a reluctance to go for the jab. It seems staring death in the face is preferable. The latest person to say NO! is the guy who is coming to fit our gas geyser in two weeks. The ridiculous garbage that he spewed out to back up his reasoning did not hold water but he believes because he has a girlfriend who works in a pharmacy, what she tells him is gospel. Like...the vaccines were already made in 2018. Really?? I don't think Covid arrived until late December 2019? The other reason is the vaccine is full of weird solutions that will kill you in 2 years. Mr. Tod turned to him and said "Nick, can you please do this job urgently while you are still with us?"
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Post by questa on Aug 20, 2021 9:56:30 GMT
Well done, Mr.Tod,I love a man with mastery of the witty repartee
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Post by lagatta on Aug 20, 2021 13:43:41 GMT
Indeed.
I have a friend who was monitoring me as I walked a couple of blocks - blocks are long in Montréal in the so-called north-south direction. He insists that he is not an anti-vaxxer but has all sorts of daft reasons for refusing the jab. I've had two doses, and also tested positive for Covid-19 (asymptomatic) when in hospital. So not very worried, but this friend, who has always had some specious ideas, has really flown off the handle since his mother died. He also thinks there are too many trees in Montréal...
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Post by rikita on Aug 20, 2021 18:44:00 GMT
I think that some people are using this as their defining moment of "Nobody tells me what to do" or "I can think for myself." Unfortunately, they have chosen the incorrect defining moment. yeah, it seems like that to me too, that for a lot of people it s kind of a "just because" and "they can't make me" kind of thing ... the other day the topic came up with a colleague - i didn't ask her for her exact reasons (don't really want to get into arguments at work either, and she is someone i generally get along with very well), but my impression was it was mainly just some general defiance. she also claimed people who don't get vaccinated are constantly pressured and instead of "how are you" people will ask "are you vaccinated yet" (i very rarely get asked that nor did i before i got vaccinated, and if, then only in the context of talking about the current situation) ... i have two colleagues that i know don't want to get vaccinated nor tested - and we will have a big conference from work in autumn, i suppose it'll cause some difficulties ... but at the same time, i don't see a point in arguing about it - i don't think most people's minds could be changed that way ...
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Post by rikita on Aug 20, 2021 18:45:47 GMT
but just to add (because i have read otherwise) - i still hope none of them get sick, and if they do, i will feel sorry for them. just like if someone gets into an accident due to speeding or something happens to them due to other not-so-smart behaviour, will feel sorry for them and wish it hadn't happened ...
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Post by mich64 on Aug 20, 2021 19:19:26 GMT
While lounging on the deck at the lake one day last week, our neighbours and a group of their friends (we think 32-38 year old range) came down to their deck (do not think they were aware we were already there, bushes/trees separate our decks for privacy) and began discussing their vaccination status. While they discussed with such pride that they were not vaccinated we were also surprised to listen to how defiant and petty they behaved while boasting about it amongst themselves. They have 3 children, ages 8 months, 3 and 6 and she is a nurse.
Everyone else that I know is fully vaccinated, this really shocked me I think because they have children.
I too hope no one ever gets the virus and becomes very ill from it even if they make the decision to not vaccinate. However, I now feel anxious for their children as they have no protection and their parents have also not been following the guidelines all along, but at least I thought, until now, that they were at least vaccinated.
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Post by mickthecactus on Aug 20, 2021 19:37:00 GMT
Remind them about smallpox and polio and how they were eliminated.
Or do they prefer to die on a ventilator and take their chance?
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Post by kerouac2 on Aug 20, 2021 20:00:14 GMT
That little aspect amazes me as well -- nobody seems tto question the old vaccines against polio, smallpox, typhus, etc. but they act as though covid-19 is a fraudulent invention.
I guess it's the price we have to pay for our new world of questioning everything and not always wanting to believe authorities.
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Post by tod2 on Aug 22, 2021 14:18:41 GMT
Remind them about smallpox and polio and how they were eliminated. Or do they prefer to die on a ventilator and take their chance? Well said Mick and my sentiments too. I get so mad when I hear of people comparing Covid-19 to a bad dose of influenza! It may have some of these symptoms but it also compares with Pneumonia and the worst chest infection one could have. I occasionally find myself with a little wheeze when breathing and that scares me enough!
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Post by kerouac2 on Aug 22, 2021 15:52:33 GMT
One more week and French schools will start the new season. Masks on everybody starting at primary school level, vaccinations very much encouraged beginning at age 12. I don't know how often the children will be tested, but in the case of positive tests, they will be sent home for distanced learning for a week as well as any unvaccinated children in the class. And they will be continuing to try to avoid close contact in school cafeterias. (Good luck with that!)
I will be very curious to hear from my friend who has just returned from his 5 years in Brazil/Guatemala and who will be the principal of one of the biggest high schools in the northern suburbs of Paris. It sounds like a total nightmare to me, dealing with anti-vax parents and students, sudden clusters in a class and who knows what else. Obviously, he will be able to delegate a lot of it, but it still sounds like an upcoming shit storm to me. (Not to mention the fact that the students are about 30% Maghrebi and 30% of African origin, which is not a guarantee of extra problems but certainly augments the possibility of such.)
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Post by tod2 on Aug 23, 2021 7:19:22 GMT
I does look daunting Kerouac. I hope he has a strong philosophy on the needs of the younger generation and how to popularise yourself so that the students look up to you and have a certain admiration for you. I think back to my junior and senior school days, and think back to who I enjoyed doing my best for as they made the subject come alive. Others like the Dominican nuns at the convent were merely feared and this too brought us into line and good behaviour, but admiration and a sort of love for my teacher always brought out the best in me.
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Post by tod2 on Aug 23, 2021 10:51:19 GMT
I read that Covid jabs are compulsory for Quantas staff. It has demanded all staff, ie: Cabin Crew, Pilots, and airport workers must be inoculated by Nov.15 and remaining staff by March 31st 2013. Put that in your pipe Anti-Vaccsers ! Good on yer Quantas.
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Post by mossie on Aug 23, 2021 11:14:13 GMT
High time we got a good old fashioned discipline knocked into people.
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Post by tod2 on Aug 24, 2021 12:31:23 GMT
I'm shouting a big hooray today as two more of my staff got the jab. One is a great hulking Indian man who likes to wear that Teddy Boy fashion of white socks with black shoes. He started off by saying he was not having a jab. Some people offered to hold his hand should he be scared of the needle. Today he took a fellow Zim colleague with him who was supposed to be there for moral support but instead what happened was he pushed Zim ahead of him and before he realised what was happening he had a needle in his arm! We really should'nt laugh but we found it hilarious. Big boy got his shot as well.
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Post by tod2 on Aug 26, 2021 10:35:27 GMT
Another hooray today as our young BnB maid/cleaner proudly announced she got a J&J jab yesterday. She did say her arm hurt like hell during the night although downing one Panado tablet. Today she is fine and has mopped all my tiled floors and vacuumed the carpets.
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Post by kerouac2 on Aug 26, 2021 13:56:21 GMT
In France, the Janssen (J&J) vaccine can only be given to people who are at least 55 years old.
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Post by bixaorellana on Aug 26, 2021 14:17:10 GMT
Tod, it is really admirable how you are convincing your employees to go get vaccinated. Not only are they protected, but many of them will probably now manage to get family and friends to follow suit.
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Post by tod2 on Aug 26, 2021 15:52:51 GMT
In France, the Johnson (J&J) vaccine can only be given to people who are at least 55 years old. We are we plugging it into everyone that is out in the sticks because that is where the old people are stuck with little or no transpot and need a one off jab. I am sad tonight as our main Zimbabwe man was refused to be jabbed. His passport was stolen ( or should I say forcibly retracted at the border) when they typed in his passport number there is no recognition. I think tthe owner of the new passport has deleted the numbers. Who knows? This is Africa but in the meantime we are desperately working on getting him a recognised work permit. Up until now he is illegal.
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Post by kerouac2 on Aug 26, 2021 16:23:09 GMT
My friend who just returned from Guatemala had the Janssen vaccine, but it turned into a minor scandal because the French expat community and related people were vaccinated by the French embassy. (I have no idea how vaccinations are being handled for ordinary Guatemalans.) Anyway, at the Lycée français where he was the director, they only vaccinated staff who were at least 55 years old -- and guess what? -- the majority of the staff are under the age of 55 so they could not be vaccinated. Oops. I hope they have obtained one of the other vaccines since then.
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Post by lagatta on Aug 27, 2021 15:53:34 GMT
Mich, it would have bothered me even more that your un-vaxxed neighbour is a nurse.
Tod, actually many people here (mainly frail elderly or other health conditions) die of bad flu every winter, despite our health system. (Also in Europe). Obviously not as bad as Covid-19, but I did get my flu jab every year, mostly for "herd immunity". And will again, when it is available.
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