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Post by mich64 on Nov 5, 2021 18:59:36 GMT
I agree with the above comments and feelings. I am still as angry and frustrated for the residents today as I wait to hear the new numbers. While I completely understand we are all still at risk everyday of coming into contact with an unvaccinated person and could become infected but we are able to do everything we can do to try to protect ourselves, we get to make those choices. That is why I feel just horrible for the residents who are at the mercy of the staff and do not have a choice, this is where they LIVE. This residence is privately owned (as most are here) but do have to follow Government protocols, however, the Government has not mandated private business that their staff must be vaccinated in these private facilities as long at there is regular testing. So they do have to be tested a few times a week but this is where the system fails, as far as I am concerned. My husband (a municipal employee, a fire captain) MUST be fully vaccinated as do the entire staff at our hospital. If not vaccinated, they could expose the virus to the public they serve or be exposed to the virus from the public, vaccine protection works both ways. This situation will put pressure on the owner group of the senior homes to change their vaccine protocols as the general public was not aware that this company allowed unvaccinated personnel amongst the residents and their fellow co-workers. It should never have happened. Don't the anti-vaxxers understand there is a difference between that of getting covid and that of getting severe symptoms and dying from it? Probably not. The anti-vax people that I know personally honestly believe they are healthier than the average person and take care of themselves better than those who get sick because of their diet choices and daily exersise and because of their healthy lifestyle they will not get the severe symptoms or require to be hospitalized. They really believe they would just be an asymtomatic case so no need to take chances with an unproven vaccine. In other words, they are saying they are just superior to the rest of us "regular people". But where they show their true person is when you tell them if they become infected they will pass it on to regular and immunocompromised person. To this they say "that is not their problem". Those who get sick should have looked after themselves as well as they do and if someone is immunocompromised then it is those people who should be the ones who should stay home, they believe they have done everything right all along and should not have to be concerned with the health concerns of other people who do not look after themselves like they have. They can not even hear their own arrogance and selfishness.
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Post by mickthecactus on Nov 5, 2021 19:27:48 GMT
I wonder how they think Diptheria and Polio disappeared.
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Post by mich64 on Nov 5, 2021 20:35:01 GMT
I wonder how they think Diptheria and Polio disappeared. They believe this virus is not as dangerous as Diptheria or Polio, why they believe this I have no idea. They also do not believe the amount of people who have died or who are hospitalized are actually due to COVID either, the lifestyle choices caused the severity in those who become ill or die. It makes me so angry.
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Post by mickthecactus on Nov 5, 2021 20:52:19 GMT
They are so deranged it is impossible to reason with them.
With luck Covid will wipe them out,
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Post by kerouac2 on Nov 5, 2021 21:08:00 GMT
Actually, I think that people have great confidence in medical science. So much confidence that they feel exonerated of any personal responsibility.
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Post by fumobici on Nov 5, 2021 21:14:56 GMT
That's the best Covid news we've had since the first vaccines began getting rolled out. In any economically sane health system this will be given free of charge to anyone symptomatic to exponentially (and I understate) reduce the costs of treating hospitalized patients suffering from Covid. We'll see.
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Post by kerouac2 on Nov 5, 2021 21:55:02 GMT
"I don't trust this new stuff. I"m not taking that pill!" How many people are going to say that? (and the people who need it the most.)
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Post by mich64 on Nov 5, 2021 21:57:43 GMT
Update - 0 new cases today. Will wait axiously for Monday morning when we will hear the weekend numbers. So far, 28 residents and 2 staff have tested positive for COVID19, one person has been hospitalized while all others are isolating in their units. Most cases so far are asymptomatic and there are a few with mild symptoms. The Management has quickly supplied statistics stating that as of mid October 100% of staff have been vaccinated (they did not say "vaccinated with 2 dozes" though). The residents received their booster shots on October 31st. I hope we hear soon that the staff is 100% double vaccinated, then that is all we can ask as they do claim that the staff do wear their masks at all times. So much confidence that they feel exonerated of any personal responsibility. Exactly.
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Post by mickthecactus on Nov 5, 2021 22:08:19 GMT
I wonder when the booster shots will need boosting again.
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Post by kerouac2 on Nov 6, 2021 5:32:35 GMT
Probably every year. I just hope they can combine it with the standard flu shot.
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Post by questa on Nov 6, 2021 5:52:35 GMT
News from down here says the boosters will be in the form of nasal sprays...so the big brave anti-vaxxers will be able to be vaccinate without fearing the "ouchies".
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Post by tod2 on Nov 6, 2021 7:07:19 GMT
I know my ex-daughter-in-law is a staunch Anti-Vaxxer but never knew she would stoop so low as to send their father a lawyers letter demanding that he sign a letter saying he will not get his two boys vaccinated. She states that they do not wish to get the jab which is probably not true as the elder boy is absolutely terrified of her and will do and say anything she demands just to keep her off his back. This weekend was their turn to be at home with their dad but she only allowed the 11yr old to come stating the 13yr old must stay at home to study for the exams.
My sons lawyer sent her lawyer a very nice letter. They are having none of it. Why do divorced parents always have to stir up shit. I cant wait for the boys to be a little bit older and say what they really think and wish to do.
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Post by kerouac2 on Nov 6, 2021 7:32:05 GMT
Not hoping that it will happen, but I wonder if she will change her tune if somebody in the family gets sick. Most of them seem to do so immediately in situations like that. News from down here says the boosters will be in the form of nasal sprays Since even a spray would have to be administered by a health professional, I don't think it would change much.
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Post by whatagain on Nov 6, 2021 9:33:32 GMT
Probably every year. I just hope they can combine it with the standard flu shot. More often. My wife tested the rate of antibodies and she is under the threshold, been vaccinated 8 months ago.
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Post by whatagain on Nov 6, 2021 9:36:29 GMT
Oh Tod, i am so sorry about that.
Having to cope with a mean bitch as a divorced ex in law must be very difficult. And a bitch using kids as weapons against the ex is much worse than a normal divorced ex.
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Post by tod2 on Nov 6, 2021 9:55:02 GMT
Not hoping that it will happen, but I wonder if she will change her tune if somebody in the family gets sick. Most of them seem to do so immediately in situations like that. That's just the problem Kerouac - Her brother and his family of wife and three kids got Covid about 6 months ago and took Ivermectin. They all got better and the brother professed that he has had 'flu worse than the Covid. My opinion is that he is a healthy man for a start with no underlying health problems. Also they did not contract this latest virus which is far deadlier I believe. All this fed to his sister who was convinced that there is no need for the vaccination jab. I also think there is some religious crap involved as well. Whatagain - Thank you. It's a delicate situation at the moment but the lawyers will sort it out. One other thing: If the school insists the kids get vaccinated she wants to keep them at home and use the "Home School"method. This would be tragic. They are at one of the best schools in the country - It is 2 minutes away from my son (and our) houses. Their mother stays on a large plot of land with her brother & family. You have to drive to shops etc.
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Post by mickthecactus on Nov 6, 2021 10:11:30 GMT
When daughter and family had Covid 3 of them were sick as dogs but eldest grandson had a bad headache for 1 day and that was it.
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Post by rikita on Nov 7, 2021 0:03:50 GMT
Early 1960s major hospital in Sydney. It was the main centre for a large number of families that will not allow blood transfusions for religious reasons. Now they get around the problem by using other products but then it was transfuse or die stuff. So the way it worked some poor official from the Child welfare would be dragged out of bed at 3am, he then had to find a foster parent for the child who was then declared a ward of the State with the Minister of Welfare taking responsibility for the child, for 24 hours. The Minister had to be convinced that the transfusion was the only thing that could save the child before giving permission for the procedure to go ahead. OF course the parents were beside themselves with mixed emotions and their community was hardly supportive. When the child was out of danger the group sometimes turned on the parents, Minister and hospital staff to vent their anger. Could the method of vaccing kids allow children to be "in care" for the duration of the "shots" or would the people revolt completely? no, i don't think that would work. as you write above, it was transfuse or die situations. with vaccinations, they are done before someone gets sick, so they don't get sick, and while some children do get very sick, many others don't. so, as much as i am for vaccinations, i think using that method to vaccinate children would cause a lot of issues, and yes, i also think it would make people revolt completely, hide their children, or whatever.
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Post by onlyMark on Nov 7, 2021 7:38:01 GMT
Making vaccinations compulsory is not something I'm for. Especially in children. Making anything compulsory will always get the back up of more people than necessary. In Germany I seem to remember that to gets our kids into school or kindergarten we had to supply their full vaccinations status for all of them anyway - so with that and other things I feel the most effective method of getting the most people vaccinated is to make life difficult for them when they are not. E.g. have the vaccination voluntary, but, compulsory to access certain things like health care, transport, education, shopping etc etc.
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Post by bjd on Nov 7, 2021 8:17:27 GMT
have the vaccination voluntary, but, compulsory to access certain things like health care, transport, education, shopping etc etc. Well, that's how the health pass in France works, but what you get are people who are not against vaccines, but demonstrating against the health pass. Other than some complete conspiracy theorists, I think a lot of the demonstrators are against being forced to do something because of a general distrust of the government.
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Post by onlyMark on Nov 7, 2021 10:13:56 GMT
I think a lot of the demonstrators are against being forced to do something because of a general distrust of the government. That's why making a vaccine compulsory will never work, no matter how well liked a government is. Making you have one to be able to do something, whilst not an ideal option, is still I think a better alternative. An attitude of 'you can't live in this country if you are not vaccinated' will always be a more severe restriction than 'you can't go to the cinema' if you are not. There are bound to be things that it makes little difference if you are vaccinated or not and it's not viable to in effect say you can't do these if your not vaccinated if you try and force a blanket compulsion on having it to all citizens. Far easier to let unvaccinated people then pick and choose what they can and can't do. They'll still protest no matter what, but it'll carry far less sympathy from the general populace than if everyone, without exception is tried to be forced into it. Just what I think. No matter how glaringly obviously beneficial something is, there will always be people who object and protest to be forced into it. To me there is a parallel between this and normal laws of the land, or having to have a driving licence to drive, a passport to travel, an ID card in many countries, a residence permit, lights on your bike and so on with all the things you normally just accept to live in that country - and that's just to walk down the street, which unvaccinated can still do. So if you don't have it, there are things you can't do. Same as with anything as mentioned.
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Post by whatagain on Nov 7, 2021 13:02:52 GMT
Yesterday one of our friends was back from the hospital, visiting his friend Jose. Jose is not called by his name there but is 'le miraculé'. He did the Covid, spent 4 months in coma and is since one month in revalidation. He lost 38 kgms, but looked less pale than before. Soon and he can go home.
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Post by kerouac2 on Nov 7, 2021 13:52:27 GMT
The Reaper spares one from time to time.
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Post by questa on Nov 7, 2021 13:58:24 GMT
He will have more difficult health outcomes as he ages, but appears to have a strong will to live.
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Post by tod2 on Nov 7, 2021 15:11:02 GMT
I feel so happy for Jose`. To have lived and survived is no mean feat. I have been there. To explain why I feel this is such a happy moment for him and his friends and family, I take you back to when I was 17. My friend got a belly ache and so did I. Appendix they said. We both had a doctor from the Seychelles who did the op. She went to theatre first. When I went in I saw the doctor taking a break from the appendectomy in the doorway of the theatre - his white garb stained with blood. She went home while in two days I was screaming in agony. I had peritonitis. For the next 7 weeks I survived on Pethidine and numerous drips. A tube down my nose into my stomach. In a haze I saw people come and go. The sisters in the night listing for my pulse with a stethoscope to my wrist. Many more attempts to save my life were made. Machinery that pumped the rot out of my abdomen went day and night. But even though I made the Medical Journal that year as a new drug came onto the market that saved my life, it was a struggle I don't wish on another living human being.
Surviving Covid is a huge achievement to combat a killer at its own game. That is why I cannot comprehend the thought processes that deny the vaccine.
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Post by whatagain on Nov 7, 2021 16:36:30 GMT
Whew.
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Post by kerouac2 on Nov 7, 2021 16:51:02 GMT
My mother also had peritonitis as a child and was pretty much written off by the hospital staff. But both she and my grandmother (who never left her side) were stubborn. When you think of all of the people who still die in 2021 in spite of phenomenal care, I shudder to think of hospitals in 1930.
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Post by whatagain on Nov 7, 2021 18:05:56 GMT
With penicilin my grandmother would have lived past the age of 45 and i may have met her.
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Post by questa on Nov 8, 2021 0:40:55 GMT
I was born 6 weeks premature in the middle of WW2. I was 3pound 4ounces (or 4 pound 3ounces) and obviously not expected to live. I was transferred to a specialist baby hospital (where 24 years later I did my infant welfare training) and cared for with basic equipment of the day.
In lieu of clothes we were wrapped in cotton wool after light oiling. Our cots were wrapped to prevent draughts and the instrument steriliser pan was opened or closed to maintain 70% humidity in the tiny room. A single bar radiator warmed the air. Lighting was kept dim and only turned up for the 3 hourly checks. Oxygen was from a cylinder which connected to a funnel which was placed near the face, The cot mattress was a cotton sack 2/3 filled with chaff which could be shaped like a bean bag to avoid pressure.It also kept in the warmth supplied by 2 rubber hot water bottles at 160F down each side and one at 180F across the bottom of the mattress.
Every 3 hours the observations were done, baby cleaned and oiled and tube fed. In the first few weeks between 1 and 5 drops of brandy were added to some feeds to help settle the baby and not lose weight. I was in this hospital for 6 months. I saw recently that my Dad had waited until the 2nd last day allowed before registering my birth at 4 months.
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Post by bjd on Nov 8, 2021 6:36:25 GMT
My husband's grandmother mother was born at 7 months in 1886, and no, she wasn't the first child in the family. Even Questa's care so many years later seems like high tech compared to probable conditions at the time. (6 months in the hospital?) Anyway, she lived to be 100 so she was a tough old bird.
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