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Post by questa on Jul 17, 2020 21:57:08 GMT
My next door neighbour (our units share a wall) told me her sister in UK had died on Tuesday. She had been having treatment for an inoperable brain tumour, but it was the Corona virus that killed her. Neighbour is "I lived through the Blitz" philosophical about it. "At least she won't have the end stages of the tumour to suffer, and she was ready to go."
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Post by spaceneedle on Jul 18, 2020 8:44:38 GMT
Just got word tonight that a relative related by marriage (inlaw to a sibling) has died from Covid. Neices and nephews very upset that Grandpa has died.
An immediate relative also just went into hospice for age related decline/alzheimers and am bracing for the worst because the location where this person is being cared for is rampant with cases among the elderly right now.
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Post by kerouac2 on Jul 18, 2020 10:41:21 GMT
That's worst of all -- having to put somebody into a place that you already know is dangerous.
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Post by questa on Jul 18, 2020 12:21:59 GMT
South Oz has completely sealed off our borders and have added another 1000 Army personel to the 600 we started with. Every track and washaway is being monitored by drones. 4 young men men hid in a freight train but got caught.isolation and $10,000 fine...each! Seems that a couple got past the border in a freight truck. Now they are rotating the various dog squads through the freighters with monster fines. (Dogs are loving their fun in the country)
This is not meant to sound bragging but SA has had leaders who listened to the scientists and very quickly changed the rules, even hourly and most people have stuck to them. If someone has tried to ignore them peer pressure has pulled them back in line. Since Day 1 we have persevered and because we are a small city and isolated it has so far worked. The whole state has a population of 1.7 million we have had 444 people diagnosed with C-19 with 4 deaths and 440 recovered. New Zealand has done even better. It seems that to save lives we just have to park our personal principles for a while and unite as if this was a war.
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Post by casimira on Jul 18, 2020 12:37:16 GMT
That's worst of all -- having to put somebody into a place that you already know is dangerous. Indeed. We had a scare yesterday. T. went for his monthly check up and his initial blood pressure reading was sky high. Another nurse took it again and the same. When his doctor took it for a third time it was perfectly normal. PHEW!!Despite having no other symptoms he still likely would have had to be hospitalized. He told me if that were the case he was going to refuse. It was likely due to a faulty blood pressure cuff. (the doctor used a different one than the other 2 nurses). I can only think of how many people who got false readings ended up being hospitalized due to faulty equipment.
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Post by mich64 on Jul 18, 2020 15:38:21 GMT
I can only think of how many people who got false readings ended up being hospitalized due to faulty equipment. Considering the frequency the equipment is used, I can see how this happens. My husband has a home device as he has been advised to take his blood pressure twice daily. Glad T. otherwise had a good check up. Scary times.
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Post by casimira on Jul 18, 2020 15:59:36 GMT
Thanks Mich. Generally, his BP is a wee bit high when they initially take it but that's very common because of anxiety at the onset of the appointment. The same thing happens to me. I take it once a day for him and he is on medication for it.
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Post by mich64 on Jul 18, 2020 16:25:36 GMT
I take it once a day for him and he is on medication for it. You are taking good care of him Casi! My husband has just weaned off his medication after his surgeon recommended him to do so as he deemed the procedure a success. He only has to take the 1/2 aspirin per day. His blood pressure and heart rate are now normal. The condition will reoccur, but hopefully not for 5 to 10 years. My blood pressure was usually a bit high as well (nervous reaction) until one day in the office I read their directions, sit up straight, make sure your feet are separated and flat on the floor (so for me, I had to sit on the edge of the seat to accomplish that!) and take some deep breaths while you wait for the cuff to be put on. Now my blood pressure is always normal. Just a way to help you focus on something else, a relaxation exercise probably, but it does work for me!
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Post by lugg on Jul 18, 2020 19:58:02 GMT
Lugg, what do you think of Boris & Co., playing the waiting game before issuing a direct order to the UK population to start wearing masks for everyones good. Sorry Tod way too late to your comment....but finally throwing in my penny's worth ... The government advice re masks when they changed their tack was flawed : their video suggested a mask with a filter ... no good because all that will happen is someone wearing it will spray out coronavirus through the filter if they are infected. I remain of the same thought as ever re masks and gloves ... if a person does not understand how to use them safely they cause more harm than good. However the reverse is true. But even if I ignore the filter mask debate ..here I can see people in masks wearing gloves who maybe fill up their car at the petrol pump in gloves wearing a mask, they then go to the cash point wearing gloves, shift the mask on their face as its causing discomfort, maybe itch their nose or wipe their mouth , go into the store wearing the same gloves and mask , shop --- pick up several things look at them and decide against so put them back on the shelf , pay and leave. Get into their car in the same gloves and mask and go home .... . Sorry that seems very negative
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Post by bixaorellana on Jul 18, 2020 21:46:17 GMT
Doesn't seem negative, simply realistic. The mantra of wear mask/wash hands has come to seem like a magical incantation, releasing people from actually thinking of what they're doing and why.
Re: all government advice ~ Maybe I'm simple minded and undoubtedly too under-informed, but ...... It seems that if all governments everywhere had sat up & taken notice when the reports started coming out of Wuhan, and if they'd all paid attention to their own disease specialists, maybe they would have felt a healthy amount of panic and closed everything down good and tight immediately. As I said, simple minded, but possibly such a response might have at least kept things from getting to the point where they are now.
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Post by questa on Jul 19, 2020 0:34:46 GMT
amount of panic and closed everything down good and tight immediately Not panic, Bixa,but reasonable fear, or anxiety that calls for action in an orderly manner. Checking the quality of the sources of information with those who are qualified to give that information. Taking action for the greater good of all, even if it does not match up to all our beliefs or wishes. Recognising that our actions and those of others are literally life-and-death decisions for the people who are sick and those caring for them. This is not panic but awareness of a new situation for which the book of rules has not yet been written.
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Post by onlyMark on Jul 19, 2020 6:59:04 GMT
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Post by tod2 on Jul 19, 2020 14:01:59 GMT
Lug - thank you for your input. We think gloves are not viable option but touching your mask is not good at all. We have the sad news that an infected member of staff has been working closely with family members. She reported that she is infected which makes everyone that hs been in her presence vulnerable.
I was so lucky to see my grandchildren today and just rubbing elbows with them was so special. then loads of chocolates were available in the fridge!
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Post by Kimby on Jul 20, 2020 15:19:30 GMT
Just when mask-wearing has become routine for my rare public outings, I have TWICE forgotten to put it on before going in a store recently! 😮
At least I have become hyper aware of not “touching my face” and am 100% in not digging out eye crunchies or sticking my fingers in my nose. (Unless I have just freshly scrubbed hands and fingernails, of course. And never in a public place.)
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Post by kerouac2 on Jul 20, 2020 15:39:31 GMT
One little hand movement from the person sitting across from me on the bus informed me instantly that I had forgotten to put my mask in place the other day. But I am no longer forgetting, and most people aren't either. But I am really annoyed by those people who seem to think that they can cover their mouth while leaving their nose exposed. In most cases, it is because they just forgot to put in in place properly on public transportation or in a shop, but there is no longer any reason to forget this.
I did see in the news today that President Trump has said that he will be proven right eventually, meaning that when the virus goes away, he will claim that that is what he said would happen right from the start.
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Post by tod2 on Jul 20, 2020 16:02:37 GMT
Kimby - What I can't understand is why the stores themselves don't put up a big notice in the entrance - our stores all say "NO. MASK - NO. ENTRY". the people squirting you with sanitiser are also watching out for anyone not complying with the law. I am so happy that this measure is in place and fee better when cruising down the aisles grabbing my goodies.
Kerouac - We have the same thing here with "nose exposure" - mainly happens because those darn irritating masks keep sliding off ones conk.
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Post by bixaorellana on Jul 20, 2020 16:41:15 GMT
What I can't understand is why the stores themselves don't put up a big notice in the entrance - our stores all say "NO. MASK - NO. ENTRY". Tod, mask-wearing is now idiotically politicized in the US. The grocery chain Winn-Dixie is in the news right now for not requiring masks. It's reasoning is: We do not want to cause undue friction between our customers and associates by regulating mask mandates, and we strongly encourage state officials to lead the way in regulating these type of safety mandatesOn one hand, they are irresponsible in not insisting that shoppers and staff be protected. On the other hand, yes -- why aren't states mandating mask-wearing? www.today.com/food/winn-dixie-will-not-require-shoppers-wear-masks-t187239
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Post by htmb on Jul 20, 2020 16:54:40 GMT
I received an email from my local grocery store, Publix, a chain located in the SE USA, stating masks were now required. Many chain on the national level are doing the same.
As for that supposed "leader" person mentioned in reply #2051, may he rot in hell.
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Post by bjd on Jul 20, 2020 19:07:45 GMT
Masks are obligatory in all closed public spaces in France starting today. They already were in public transport.
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Post by bjd on Jul 20, 2020 19:12:59 GMT
Doesn't seem negative, simply realistic. The mantra of wear mask/wash hands has come to seem like a magical incantation, releasing people from actually thinking of what they're doing and why. Re: all government advice ~ Maybe I'm simple minded and undoubtedly too under-informed, but ...... It seems that if all governments everywhere had sat up & taken notice when the reports started coming out of Wuhan, and if they'd all paid attention to their own disease specialists, maybe they would have felt a healthy amount of panic and closed everything down good and tight immediately. As I said, simple minded, but possibly such a response might have at least kept things from getting to the point where they are now. If you recall, reports didn't start coming out of Wuhan right away. The Chinese government punished doctors who raised the alarm at the beginning. There were still flights between China and Europe and N America in early days. A friend whose son-in-law is a doctor in a small village near Toulouse caught it in December after one of his patients went to pick up her parents who had been on a cruise and then came to see him. At first, nobody knew what he had. I don't think it would be have been possible to shut everything down tight from the very first, even if the Chinese had been totally honest from the start. Nobody imagined it would snowball as it has.
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Post by lugg on Jul 20, 2020 19:29:41 GMT
The As for that supposed "leader" person mentioned in reply #2051, may he rot in hell. . I did see in the news today that President Trump has said that he will be proven right eventually, meaning that when the virus goes away, he will claim that that is what he said would happen right from the start. That Fox interview with POTUS was so awful ... even more than usual. But refreshing to see that it was Fox news. I mentioned further up that we have had a local outbreak here in Herefordshire or at least on the border with Worcestershire. Foreign workers housed in close confinements on a fruit/ veg farm. Most of the 75 or so remain asymptomatic so that's good. Also more good news the vaccine trials at Oxford University look really promising so far although it is a long way off still . www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53469839
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Post by htmb on Jul 20, 2020 20:28:46 GMT
The reports out of Oxford are encouraging, for sure, and we all need a little encouragement,
I’ve had at least six friends/relatives die since February. None specifically of the virus, but one wonders if the 53 and 65 year old cousins, or the 58 and 68 year old friends, would have had those fatal heart attacks. Why now? Coincidence?
I’ve been debating whether or not to go over to the coast for a few days. The town is rural and I would be able to avoid people for the most part, but I’d also be in a part of Florida where people tend to buy into the recent presidential propaganda. I’m guessing I’d be the only person entering a business wearing a mask. On the plus side, I’d take all my groceries and shouldn’t need to go to any stores. Also, the rate of cases in the area have been very low.
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Post by mich64 on Jul 20, 2020 20:37:01 GMT
I have seen portions of the interview he did this weekend, but I really can not stand to listen to his voice anymore. I now prefer reading news reports and have the news channels on less and less.
This Friday we are all required to begin wearing masks in public spaces and on transit. I am happy to see this happen. Our cases go up and down daily and when reading what the Health Minister had to say today, it is frustrating, young people (18-39) are the majority of the cases of late. Track and trace is finding sources are large house parties. Now is the time to mandate the masks.
I read that a vaccine study on 1,000 people in the UK had some good results to report today.
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Post by mickthecactus on Jul 20, 2020 21:14:11 GMT
I have to say that I expected the death toll in the US to be higher allowing for the total number of infections.
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Post by onlyMark on Jul 21, 2020 6:08:32 GMT
Not sure if it is in all cases, but I can't remember seeing a photo of two people doing the elbow to elbow greeting without smiling.
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Post by questa on Jul 21, 2020 6:53:35 GMT
Don't forget Mick, that the task of reporting statistics in the USA has been taken away from the WHO and given to a Trump-selected department who is now responsible for reporting to the public the barest information they can get away with.
I mean...it is not likely that they would tell a LIE, is it?
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Post by tod2 on Jul 21, 2020 7:02:47 GMT
Not sure if it is in all cases, but I can't remember seeing a photo of two people doing the elbow to elbow greeting without smiling. I caught a glimpse of Mike Pompeo doing the elbow greeting as he stepped off the plane in the UK. I think he had a sort of grimace on his face. I must say its a weird feeling to rub elbows with my two grandsons on Sunday, but we made it a huge joke and they fully understand not to get close to me….but oh the heart aches to give them a hug.
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Post by bixaorellana on Jul 21, 2020 16:51:00 GMT
I’ve had at least six friends/relatives die since February. None specifically of the virus, but one wonders if the 53 and 65 year old cousins, or the 58 and 68 year old friends, would have had those fatal heart attacks. Why now? Coincidence? I’ve been debating whether or not to go over to the coast for a few days. The town is rural and I would be able to avoid people for the most part, but I’d also be in a part of Florida where people tend to buy into the recent presidential propaganda. I’m guessing I’d be the only person entering a business wearing a mask. On the plus side, I’d take all my groceries and shouldn’t need to go to any stores. Also, the rate of cases in the area have been very low. Htmb, that is an exceptionally high number of people in such a short time and must be devastating for you. Who knows if there is a correlation with the virus -- coincidence as you ask, or possibly the increased stress caused by the times we're living through. At any rate, I'm very sorry to hear this sad news. As far as whether or not you go to the coast ... Obviously you know the area & how safe you can make yourself. I'm very edgy about all travel right now outside of ones own home, especially after reading about what happened to Corpus Christ, where people wound up bringing in the virus after flocking there because it was so safe and untouched. This Friday we are all required to begin wearing masks in public spaces and on transit. I am happy to see this happen. Our cases go up and down daily and when reading what the Health Minister had to say today, it is frustrating, young people (18-39) are the majority of the cases of late. Track and trace is finding sources are large house parties. Now is the time to mandate the masks. Amen, Mich! You've seen the ridiculous and destructive effects in the US of people endangering other people in places like supermarkets because there is no mandate in place.
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Post by kerouac2 on Jul 21, 2020 17:01:40 GMT
In France we can still go outdoors to open areas if we don't want to wear a mask, but masks must be worn everywhere indoors. However, they can be removed when sitting still in a café, restaurant, cinema or theatre.
There are enough people on most city streets here to encourage me to keep my mask on, but I pull it down when riding a bike or walking on an empty street.
What gets me is that so many people think that the masks are for keeping themselves safe whereas their utility is to keep the people you encounter safe.
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Post by htmb on Jul 21, 2020 17:11:43 GMT
Thank you, Bixa. Probably the most bizarre moment of this for me was watching my cousin’s funeral service in a live stream.
Well, I probably won’t be going to the coast after all. I waited too long to book the only condo I wanted and someone snapped it up.
You’re smart to wear your mask on the streets, Kerouac. It’s required in NYC because the streets are so crowded, but in the couple weeks my daughter was there before her move, she estimated only half the population was following the rule.
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