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Post by rikita on Jan 16, 2021 1:05:35 GMT
according to official information here, it is not clear yet though if the vaccination gives you only functional immunity or sterile immunity, so from what i understand, they don't know yet whether it only protects you of getting seriously sick, or also ensures you are not contagious after - what's being said about that elsewhere?
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Post by htmb on Jan 16, 2021 2:45:21 GMT
It’s the same here in the US. We are being told to continue wearing masks in public, washing hands, social distancing, etc,, even after being vaccinated, because it may still be possible to spread the virus to others. It sounds to me like scientists are just not sure so are trying to encourage caution.
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Post by kerouac2 on Jan 16, 2021 6:32:52 GMT
Now of course, after a slow start there is a vaccine shortage all across Europe because Pfizer can't keep up with demand. France is pretty much the same as everywhere else in terms of the rules -- people over the age of 75, health care workers and anybody with pre-existing "conditions." All of the telephone lines and internet sites for reservations are totally saturated. I don't know why they even report this on the news because it is so obvious that it will happen every time. I believe that they are now giving out dates for March.
Meanwhile, I received more information about my status as a vaccine test volunteer. It answered that principal thing I was wondering -- what if you're a volunteer but you have the opportunity to get vaccinated in the meantime? The message said that anybody who can get vaccinated should do so but that there will be other ways to be useful for the studies later so to remain on the volunteer list. Wait and see.
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Post by bjd on Jan 16, 2021 7:33:33 GMT
It's hard to know whether the vaccine will work the same way as getting covid itself in providing antibodies. So much information out there,as well as so little because it's coming from so many different sources, and I'm not talking about anti-vax conspiracies.
I read that getting the coronovirus is supposed to protect you for either 5 or 6 months, but that you can still pass on the virus even if you don't get it yourself. Does that mean it will be a vaccine everyone is supposed to get annually? Will it eventually ease up, like the influenza that caused the Spanish flu at the end of WW1 and just mutate to more benign forms (that still kill thousands of people every year)?
One problem with such a fast development of a vaccine, is that there are no long-term studies available for its effectiveness over time.
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Post by bjd on Jan 16, 2021 8:55:04 GMT
I just read this as part of a longer article:
"Will the vaccine slow down the rate of transmission of Covid-19?
This is one of the key questions that scientists will be seeking to answer over coming weeks. The vaccines now being administered are designed to protect people from severe side-effects of the disease. They were not developed to block transmission of the virus. Thus a person could be protected against serious illness but still carry the virus and spread it others. However, most scientists believe that the vaccines should reduce viral load in those inoculated and there should then be a reduction in transmission. The degree of that transmission reduction will be a key factor in releasing the nation from lockdown.
What will happen during the second half of 2021?
The government has ordered sufficient doses of Covid vaccine for the entire population of the UK. However, vaccines do not provide 100% protection and not everyone will allow themselves to be inoculated. Lack of blanket immunity will therefore result in outbreaks of Covid-19 through the year and these could intensify next winter. At the same time, new variants of the virus may emerge and may require the manufacture of reconfigured vaccines to tackle them. Nor is it known how long current vaccines will protect against severe Covid-19 symptoms. As a result, most scientists believe annual vaccinations against variants of the disease will be needed for years to come."
At the end, it is mentioned that this information is as it stands now, but there are continuous changes.
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Post by cheerypeabrain on Jan 16, 2021 9:20:19 GMT
My husband keeps telling me that they think immunity will only last for 5 months. Considering that this is a new virus and the vaccines have only been being tested for a short time they cant make claims that still last longer until they have the data.
We may have to have a booster periodically and, like the flu vaccine, thre may need to tweak the vaccine every year. If they use the mRNA formula like Pfizer and moderna then it should be possible to adjust the vaccine quite rapidly.
I think that one busy strand of research will be into trying produce a more stable mRNA vaccine so that it can be stored in a normal medical refrigerator.
Hopefully enough of the population WILL be inoculated to allow us to return to some sort of normality. I hope so anyway. I wont be abandoning my mask anytime soon tho.
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Post by cheerypeabrain on Jan 16, 2021 9:28:58 GMT
Here in the city our over 75s are being inoculated, a lot of our neighbours have had their vaccinations, but my BiL (84) who lives in a Leicestershire village hasn't had his yet. My sister is spitting feathers with rage. (She's not the most patient woman I the world).
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Post by questa on Jan 16, 2021 13:07:00 GMT
I pity the poor scientists who have slaved most of last year churning out research, graphs and charts, attending meetings to try to come to some alliances between different philosophies. Then having to present a unified front to Joe Public when they give out their findings and advice.
So far this year the rules have changed and with choice of vaccines and timetables for same, the cracks are showing. All the Governments seem to be lurching along different paths and there are many ordinary folks who are giving up through confusion. Roosters in 2020, feather dusters in 2021.
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Post by whatagain on Jan 16, 2021 13:21:42 GMT
My husband keeps telling me that they think immunity will only last for 5 months. Considering that this is a new virus and the vaccines have only been being tested for a short time they cant make claims that still last longer until they have the data. We may have to have a booster periodically and, like the flu vaccine, thre may need to tweak the vaccine every year. If they use the mRNA formula like Pfizer and moderna then it should be possible to adjust the vaccine quite rapidly. I think that one busy strand of research will be into trying produce a more stable mRNA vaccine so that it can be stored in a normal medical refrigerator. Hopefully enough of the population WILL be inoculated to allow us to return to some sort of normality. I hope so anyway. I wont be abandoning my mask anytime soon tho. My wife thought so but is changing her mind. Seems a lot of people who got Covid stay immune for quite a long time, so vaccine could last one year too. We will eventually see...
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Post by casimira on Jan 16, 2021 14:30:48 GMT
As noted previously, most of my 70 plus year old friends and acquaintances here in NOLA have received their first shot. Now the city has announced that the supply has been depleted. So, folks who have appointments to get their vaccine next week (my husband being one of them) will have to wait. No idea as to how long.
Another concern is that because we have a large homeless population (largely because we have a mild to moderate climate) there are hundreds or more persons who don't have the resources to receive their vaccinations. This has the potential to cause a surge in the number of cases to occur and more "spreaders".
What had earlier seemed like an organized and efficient process is now falling apart with many cracks in the system.
This is causing a lack of confidence among a large percentage of the public. Myself included.
I am also increasingly more anxious about daily reports of new side effects that had not yet been determined or anticipated. The lack of this type of data is making me more skeptical and I am not an "anti vaxer".
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Post by mickthecactus on Jan 16, 2021 14:53:16 GMT
I haven’t had any side effects.
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Post by casimira on Jan 16, 2021 15:49:17 GMT
I haven’t had any side effects. I'm happy to hear this Mick. However, you only just got it this week. Let me be clear about what I posted. The side effects I'm being made aware of are ones that are being reported on NPR, a trusted media source. Likely the only one I truly do trust. I have intentionally avoided surfing the internet to read what is "out there". I am obsessive by nature and very neurotic. I am grateful in hindsight that I did not have wifi when my husband was seriously ill with Guillian Barre Syndrome because I just know I would have become even more anxious and downright crazy with what I was likely to read on the subject. I had reliable trusted friends with sound medical knowledge to guide me through that and am eternally grateful to them for availing themselves to me. I just need to feel more confident and hopefully will over time. I'm not even eligible age wise right now so maybe when I am able to get the shot there will be more positive information available.
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Post by htmb on Jan 16, 2021 15:57:35 GMT
At my age, I am not concerned about side-effects. The clock is running out any way you look at it. However, if I had young children, or if I was younger and considering getting pregnant, I’d want to have more information about potential, long-term side-effects before getting the vaccine.
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Post by mickthecactus on Jan 16, 2021 16:18:44 GMT
Obviously I don't know NPR. What side effects do they report Casi?
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Post by casimira on Jan 16, 2021 16:31:19 GMT
Mick, there are numerous ones that many people have experienced. Sharp pain in the feet (particularly while walking barefoot), neuropathy in multiple places (hands and feet in particular), respiratory issues (shortness of breath being the primary one), muscle weakness and depleted energy levels. Frequent dizzy spells and feeling faint.
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Post by tod2 on Jan 16, 2021 16:55:57 GMT
Please can anyone tell me if a statement by nypost.com on FaceBook said "23 die in Norway after receiving Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine"
Is this more fake news or what?
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Post by htmb on Jan 16, 2021 16:58:23 GMT
I don’t know if it’s true or not but I would never trust the NYPost.
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Post by mickthecactus on Jan 16, 2021 17:05:50 GMT
If that had really happened I’m sure we would have heard about it from reliable sources.
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Post by kerouac2 on Jan 16, 2021 17:17:03 GMT
No news of that anywhere else in Europe either.
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Post by casimira on Jan 16, 2021 17:22:53 GMT
Please can anyone tell me if a statement by nypost.com on FaceBook said "23 die in Norway after receiving Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine" Is this more fake news or what? What HTMB said. (I have a close friend here who used to live in NYC and he would always ask me to bring him a copy of The NY Post whenever I took a trip up there. He wanted it to read for comic relief and sensationalism. Their headlines in particular were always hilarious in the sickest of ways). My husband saw it and told me about it this a.m.
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Post by mickthecactus on Jan 16, 2021 17:25:22 GMT
My son in law is a builder and currently working on a site that is pretty multi ethnic.
The Eastern Europeans won’t have the jab because they have been told that they will be injected with a microchip and be controlled by Bill Gates.
The Moldovans won’t have it because they saw on YouTube that you die after 2 weeks.
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Post by kerouac2 on Jan 16, 2021 17:40:43 GMT
Rupert Murdoch owns the New York Post. Just saying...
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Post by mickthecactus on Jan 16, 2021 17:43:23 GMT
Mick, there are numerous ones that many people have experienced. Sharp pain in the feet (particularly while walking barefoot), neuropathy in multiple places (hands and feet in particular), respiratory issues (shortness of breath being the primary one), muscle weakness and depleted energy levels. Frequent dizzy spells and feeling faint. Any or all of those are preferable to dying on a ventilator I reckon.
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Post by tod2 on Jan 16, 2021 17:47:53 GMT
Thanks for the replies. I thought it was only here in Africa the ridiculous suggestions about the Covid vaccine are rife. A tongue in cheek video was made by an African woman in response to our presidents announcement about who will get the vaccines first and in what order. She over plays the thankfulness of being last in the line-up "Because we love our leaders and we were brought up to respect our elders and listen to anyone who is more educated than yourself" She goes on to thank them for making themselves a priority, so that we can see if they survive. Next in line for a jab are all the government officials who have received enormous contracts from "who you know" in the powers that be and became multi-millionaires over night. She then suggests that to be absolutely sure that all is correct and above board, the different political parties should be allowed to inject their opposition supporters and so on. Unfortunately most Africans don't have a queer sense of humour and because this video was made with a serious face, some people I know actually agreed with her.
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Post by kerouac2 on Jan 16, 2021 18:20:59 GMT
I see that the Times of India has reported the deaths in Norway. But they give their sources of information as being the NY Post. So... I'm sure that Norway will issue some sort of response soon.
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Post by bjd on Jan 16, 2021 19:20:52 GMT
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Post by bixaorellana on Jan 16, 2021 20:04:04 GMT
And not conclusively linked with the vaccine. Of course it had to be reported, but the article is extremely cautious.
There have been five "grave" illnesses attributed to health care workers who received the vaccine on the isthmus and the coast here in Oaxaca. I don't know other details except that it was the Pfizer vaccine.
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Post by lugg on Jan 16, 2021 21:50:23 GMT
I haven’t had any side effects. I have had the first dose ( now nearly 4 weeks ago) and know many others who have had it too. No side effects- some have had a sore arm - I did not. (Pfizer) But the likelihood is of course that a small number will have adverse reactions. Reading the latest reports from Norway it appears that there may be some risks to those who are extremely frail, over 85 and have underlying health conditions. And of course to those of any age who have a history of allergic reactions.
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Post by patricklondon on Jan 17, 2021 8:59:20 GMT
Please can anyone tell me if a statement by nypost.com on FaceBook said "23 die in Norway after receiving Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine" Is this more fake news or what? I think I read somewhere that you can trust the New York Times and the Washington Post, but not the Washington Times or the New York Post. My blog | My photos | My video clips | My Librivox recordings"too literate to be spam"
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Post by whatagain on Jan 17, 2021 12:17:44 GMT
Side effects as explained by docs are that some people in really low numbers have some light disagreements that last a few hours.
Some studies have been made about the million vaccinated Israelis.
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