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Post by onlyMark on Feb 2, 2020 9:23:08 GMT
Apparently, I'm a dog. Lovely, honest, prudent.
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Post by kerouac2 on Feb 2, 2020 20:14:10 GMT
building a hospital in 10 days
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Post by kerouac2 on Feb 3, 2020 1:24:18 GMT
361 deaths, 17,205 cases.
Today an A380 brought a new load of people to France and then continued to Belgium with others. The French and the Belgians were housed in safe places immediately and the others (Dutch, Slovaks, Poles, etc.) were put on secure sealed buses to their home countries. That must be tough after a 12 hour flight.
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Post by questa on Feb 3, 2020 4:01:20 GMT
12 hours flight then presumably without showers a long bus ride. mmmm that is going to be good for any number of infections, let alone the virus in question. ,
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Post by onlyMark on Feb 3, 2020 5:36:01 GMT
I'd like to draw your attention to something that a contact has passed to me. It sounds quite grand saying it is a contact, but mainly it is someone who I know that is working in the field of medical matters and we were talking yesterday. That person said the situation is far more dire than is reported. This article shows very well the situation regarding the initial outbreak of the virus. Many outside China may well have been someone sceptical about the reports coming from Wuhan, and rightly so. With the history of the government there, how they would think those outside China with a free media would unconditionally accept what they put out as the truth. Yet is is the only tactic they have to control and suffocate accurate information so they continue to use it. Imagine a well respected veteran Chinese journalist with excellent English who just so happens to live there. Imagine how they have written a report and somehow passed it on to a credible organisation - "The China Media Project is an independent research, fellowship and exchange program in partnership with the Journalism & Media Studies Centre at the University of Hong Kong. The CMP fosters dialogue on key issues in Chinese media and communications, and monitors breaking developments in the field." chinamediaproject.org/about/I suggest you read it, but I think none of it comes as much of a surprise. It's about a ten minute read and so far, not widely disseminated - archive.is/iNizl#selection-877.0-877.77
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Post by bjd on Feb 3, 2020 7:27:57 GMT
Expecting that China has a free media is as delusional as thinking that RT (Russia Today) is free, fair and balanced.
I heard on the news that China was absolutely against the World Health Organization declaring a worldwide epidemic because it would make China look bad. Absolute power plus the desire to save face at all expense is not a good way to ensure a free press.
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Post by mickthecactus on Feb 3, 2020 22:13:42 GMT
Does the mask actually have any practical effect?
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Post by kerouac2 on Feb 4, 2020 4:41:40 GMT
I would imagine so, since sneezing and coughing are the principal vectors of transmission.
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Post by questa on Feb 4, 2020 5:58:25 GMT
It depends on the material the mask is, thickness, inserts, tied so there are no side openings, has wire to shape top so air can't slip between nose and cheeks. If you touch any part of the mask on the outside both hand and mask are considered contaminated. If masks make your glasses fog up try rubbing some dry soap on the lenses then polish them. Lightweight paper disposables with open sides may be better than none, but only just.
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Post by patricklondon on Feb 4, 2020 7:45:28 GMT
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Post by mickthecactus on Feb 4, 2020 8:14:29 GMT
I would imagine so, since sneezing and coughing are the principal vectors of transmission. I thought it was contact as sneezing doesn't seem to be a symptom and the cough is dry. Wouldn't eye protection be better?
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Post by patricklondon on Feb 4, 2020 11:17:38 GMT
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Post by mossie on Feb 4, 2020 20:41:22 GMT
Sat in A&E today beside a trolley, labelled Corona Virus trolley, and loaded with all sorts of stuff.
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Post by mickthecactus on Feb 4, 2020 22:14:17 GMT
Sat in A&E today beside a trolley, labelled Corona Virus trolley, and loaded with all sorts of stuff. Gosh, that's a bit uncomfortable mossie. But then you are in the East..
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Post by kerouac2 on Feb 5, 2020 5:52:12 GMT
490 deaths (more than SARS caused), 24,324 declared cases.
SARS disappeared spontaneously when the season changed and temperatures rose. That's what they are hoping will happen this time, but that means having to wait another month or two. That's all they can do anyway -- there is absolutely no way to invent and distribute a vaccine in a short period of time.
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Post by spaceneedle on Feb 5, 2020 10:05:22 GMT
On tonight's evening news, an American woman was interviewed via Facetime. She is on board a cruise ship off the coast of Japan that has been quarantined because of the virus. Apparently close to a dozen people on the ship are ill.
She was in remarkably good spirits considering she was in a windowless cabin and the passengers had been told they were confined to their cabins for the next two weeks. I'm prone to claustrophobia and that would positively unhinge me, but she was making the most of it with a lot of humor. I'd be curious to see how humorous she's feeling in about week or so.
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Post by questa on Feb 5, 2020 12:25:07 GMT
How did this virus suddenly appear and with such an effect? By its nature it is very fast to spread and lethal. China has problems with its Tibetan and Uighur people. China is playing a strange role with its super hospitals and keeping of secrets. Does anyone else smell a whiff of germ warfare and scientists doing as they are told?
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Post by kerouac2 on Feb 5, 2020 13:00:42 GMT
The big question is how "rapidly" it actually spread. As we all know, totalitarian regimes try to hide bad news as long as possible, so it might have all started months ago.
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Post by onlyMark on Feb 5, 2020 14:12:45 GMT
Did anyone read the link I put up at the end of post 34? Scroll to the top if it opens at the bottom.
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Post by kerouac2 on Feb 5, 2020 15:07:14 GMT
I read part of it and it made me think of the United States and the 737 Max deal. As airlines and countries around the world started banning the 737 Max, the United States and its president kept saying that there was no problem, because it was FAA approved, and the FAA is the best aviation authority in the world, so it would all blow over soon and everybody would forget it.
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Post by mickthecactus on Feb 5, 2020 16:19:51 GMT
As it's Hong Kong based is it totally unbiased?
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Post by kerouac2 on Feb 5, 2020 16:38:15 GMT
Is anything totally unbiased?
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Post by onlyMark on Feb 5, 2020 20:23:57 GMT
Mick, no idea as to the level of bias. I am though inclined to have more belief in it than anything coming out of China.
Just as a perspective, in order to view a somewhat bigger picture, the WHO and CDC estimate "....between 291,000 and 646,000 people worldwide die from seasonal influenza-related respiratory illnesses each year..."
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Post by kerouac2 on Feb 6, 2020 5:09:23 GMT
563 deaths, 28,000 cases.
Frankly, the news is not reassuring.
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Post by questa on Feb 6, 2020 7:26:57 GMT
The bushfires this summer demonstrated what nature can do to correct things when they are out of balance. With with a population overload which is growing at a rate that is faster than the planet can sustain, could it be that natural forces are going to arise to correct the imbalance of population.
The virus is more deadly for the old, sick and very young and weak. It sounds like a sci-fi scenario but...do you think it possible or likely?
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Post by kerouac2 on Feb 6, 2020 10:33:38 GMT
I have been wondering about the "world plague" that is going to purge the planet one of these days. This isn't it yet barring a major mutation, but sometimes I feel that it is just around the corner.
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Post by onlyMark on Feb 6, 2020 12:18:04 GMT
It'd solve the problem of climate change though. But, there would be a snowball effect regarding disease in that unless all the dead bodies are disposed of, further diseases would be inflicted upon the surviving population. My plan would be to steal/buy a reasonable sized boat and stock it with probably about two years worth of food and then sail into uncharted and waters. Maybe moor up at some remote and uninhabited island to wait it out. Two years once it starts into full swing should see it through. I would need to refresh my firearms skills in case of pirates and other desperate gangs though.
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Post by questa on Feb 6, 2020 12:41:42 GMT
Can I be your "girl Friday" I have learnt lotsa ways to use coconuts for food, medicines and even IV fluids. Your clan can have the pre-fab huts you were smart enough to stow and I will make a bamboo and mud one for me. (memo to self...pack machete)
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Post by kerouac2 on Feb 6, 2020 12:42:25 GMT
What about the Kraken?
If I am going to be wiped out, I would nevertheless prefer the coronavirus and not something like "flesh eating bacteria."
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Post by kerouac2 on Feb 6, 2020 16:59:24 GMT
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