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Post by htmb on Apr 3, 2020 22:30:11 GMT
Plus, now it’s a state mandate.
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Post by lagatta on Apr 3, 2020 23:49:33 GMT
I should probably get a mask. I have no serious pre-conditions, but I do have multiple allergies, and especially when I'm not fully awake (getting up) do touch my face. Obviously sneeze into tissues when I'm fully conscious, and throw them away. I've had allergies almost all my life. Right now I'm breathing perfectly.
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Post by mich64 on Apr 4, 2020 2:07:17 GMT
I have for many years maintained a shopping list organized by section of the store, so I rarely have to backtrack and can get in and out quickly. I have been texting grocery lists to my husband for the past few years but they are more organized now than they were. Each item is in order of the usual route we walk in the store. Yesterday he told me there are now arrows to follow and there is only one route, thankfully it was in the direction the list was done in.
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Post by mich64 on Apr 4, 2020 2:18:33 GMT
The issue, I think, is that people CONGREGATE and socialize at these places, violating the group size and keep-your-distance guidelines. Today our Premier ordered that rural campfires are not permitted, for along the same reasoning. Also to hopefully dissuade the people from travelling from the city to the rural areas to their cottages. Cottagers would overwhelm the small grocery and liquor stores, distancing would be nearly impossible to adhere to. I have my doubts they will stay away though.
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Post by kerouac2 on Apr 4, 2020 6:01:27 GMT
when I'm not fully awake (getting up) do touch my face Once one is home and has washed one's hands properly I can't imagine any danger in touching your face as much as you want.
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Post by bjd on Apr 4, 2020 6:44:34 GMT
Mich, my sister lives in Wasaga Beach now and told me the locals are complaining about cottagers from Toronto who have come up there early in the season.
Cheery, I know you have been married a long time, but it does sound as though you should go shopping on your own.
Reading everybody's precautions on this thread, I get the impression I am taking things too casually. But I don't see why I should wear a mask since I am not sick, I keep my distance (one metre in France) when I am in a store, and I don't disinfect anything. I do wash my hands when I get home from the store.
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Post by patricklondon on Apr 4, 2020 6:47:22 GMT
No baggers in France. French customers bag their own groceries. Nice cashiers will slow down a bit if they see someone is having a hard time. Nor in the UK. Just as well, I have my own system, and the one time there was some teenage spotty herbert employed to "help", they just dumped everything together, heavy things on top of squashy ones and so forth. Plus, I usually reckon to have everything packed more or less at the time the total's totted up. Sometimes I beat the cashier: petty but satisfying.
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Post by onlyMark on Apr 4, 2020 7:43:51 GMT
Not heard that for years. Still very accurate though. There is some evidence that the cashiers at Aldi/Lidl have targets on speed when scanning your stuff and if not, they have at least a culture of doing it fast and it is frowned upon and you may get spoken with by a manager of you do it slower. Mrs M and I both have a different system for bagging so when we go together we tend to alternate between unloading and bagging. Her system often tends to involve buying more bags than we took with us because of the inefficiency in packing. That's not a problem now though because I currently have to go by myself and only shop for myself. An annoyance is that I'm sure some time ago and even now, people are buying stuff they never really did before and a lot of it "just in case" - such as the flour thing as it's nowhere to be found.
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Post by onlyMark on Apr 4, 2020 7:49:37 GMT
Reading everybody's precautions on this thread, I get the impression I am taking things too casually. But I don't see why I should wear a mask since I am not sick, I keep my distance (one metre in France) when I am in a store, and I don't disinfect anything. I do wash my hands when I get home from the store. You are not alone. I think the impression is most are taking a lot of precaution but in reality it is tinged with common sense and caution, not paranoia. I have a mask, don't wear it yet. Maybe in the future, we'll see. I'm not bothered about touching things because I make a conscious effort not to then start shoving my fingers in my mouth or rubbing my eyes or whatever. I keep my distance when out, which obviously it not as often as normal and that serves me well when I go out for my exercise, walking or on a bike. I do wash my hands thoroughly on return from being out and take otherwise normal hygiene precautions.
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Post by bjd on Apr 4, 2020 7:50:13 GMT
I too have been told that discount (Lidl/Aldi) cashiers have to push the stuff through quickly.
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Post by tod2 on Apr 4, 2020 11:08:38 GMT
Everybody has their own idea what s safe and what s not until yo watch the scientific video showing the transmission of droplets in the air after a sneeze, a cough or just speaking. The basic message is there are big droplets and infinitely minute droplets that hang in the air even 20 min after someone has expelled them on their breath. The only way to disperse them is by opening two windows and causing a draught. I've got the video on my WhatsApp and if someone can tell me how to post it here I will.
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Post by tod2 on Apr 4, 2020 11:40:17 GMT
. I think this might work.
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Post by cheerypeabrain on Apr 4, 2020 12:55:13 GMT
bjd I would enjoy grocery shopping on my own...but I don't drive and would struggle on the bus with lots of heavy shopping. We've always shopped together..its the only time he takes me out. I think Jeff enjoys it really...
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Post by cheerypeabrain on Apr 4, 2020 13:01:11 GMT
A friend is in hospital and has tested positive for the virus, she had had a fever for 3 - 4 days but developed breathing problems so was admitted to hospital in Stevenage. I've known her since she was a baby altho we're not close...just fb friends. She has underlying health problems, her husband has mild COPD so hoping he's ok.
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Post by cheerypeabrain on Apr 4, 2020 14:07:11 GMT
On the bright side....have you ever seen the sky so clear? and those of us with outside space are going tohave lovely gardens this summer....
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Post by kerouac2 on Apr 4, 2020 14:40:55 GMT
My big surprise was to see an Air France plane flying relatively low over Paris yesterday. Unlike London, which is overflown constantly, overflying Paris is forbidden. I wondered if it was one of the sanitary flights transferring patients from the Grand Est region to Brittany, which still has ICU space.
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Post by cheerypeabrain on Apr 4, 2020 14:49:13 GMT
4,313 total fatalities here in the UK now with 708 in the last 24 hours.
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Post by lagatta on Apr 4, 2020 15:17:44 GMT
Yes, we usually have a lot of jet trails around here (though K2 is correct that each flight is far less polluting now than a generation ago). Not much heavy industry in my part of Montréal (there used to important light industry especially the garment trade but that has almost all shut down except for distribution of imports) but there is far less car and truck traffic. The air does seem very clean.
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Post by bjd on Apr 4, 2020 16:24:56 GMT
Cheery, may I suggest you do what my sister does when her husband goes shopping with her. She goes to a place that has a large DIY place nearby. She goes to buy food and he goes to browse tools, wood, stuff like that.
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Post by Kimby on Apr 4, 2020 16:54:41 GMT
When the Kimbys go grocery shopping, Mr. Kimby takes the car for a wash and waits for me in the same general area of the supermarket parking lot.
Though I’m nervous about our next grocery- shopping trip, I plan to be the designated shopper. Not only because I’m BETTER at it, but also because I’m 2 years younger and have no other risk factors, whereas he has hypertension (though fairly well-controlled by medications) and a-fib.
We do have some face masks and latex gloves we can use, though I’m partial to a jaunty bandanna over my nose and mouth, glasses and washable knit gloves.
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Post by kerouac2 on Apr 4, 2020 17:22:59 GMT
I saw today that numerous elderly couples were still shopping together in spite of the rules. That's exactly what my parents would have done, rules be damned. However, I don't know if couples are allowed inside later when there are more people and entry is filtered by the door guard.
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Post by bixaorellana on Apr 4, 2020 18:29:15 GMT
a jaunty bandanna over my nose and mouth I saw this online, but don't know if it's true or not. To test the efficacy of your mask you're supposed to put it on, hold a lighter two or three inches in front of your mouth, and then try to blow out the flame through the mask. I've made a fabulous mask which I'll endeavor to show here. I look exactly like Scheherazade in it.
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Post by fumobici on Apr 4, 2020 19:33:23 GMT
We're so unlucky here. A couple of years back it was determined we have the cleanest air of any city in the US, so we get almost no benefit from the decreased pollution
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Post by bixaorellana on Apr 4, 2020 21:15:58 GMT
Y'all have them big-ass trees!
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Post by bixaorellana on Apr 4, 2020 22:27:28 GMT
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Post by lagatta on Apr 4, 2020 23:45:31 GMT
This can also lead to enmity. Yes, unlike death it can be reversed but it isn't very nice. A close friend accused me of "shopping at too many places" while I had shopped only at one place - a small Portuguese supermarket - after dropping my bicycle off at the repairpersons. I really can't shop only every fortnight. Perhaps I'll grow Chinese greens on my balconies, but it is still too early.
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Post by questa on Apr 4, 2020 23:58:58 GMT
I get the impression I am taking things too casually. Your hospitalised friend has caught the virus from being too casual herself or someone else being too casual in her vicinity. For once, the Ozzies are doing what they are told. Drones patrol the places where people meet in parks etc and sound a siren if people are too close. The major telkom service has tracking capabilities and can supply information to"Them" where people are too close or where they shouldn't be. Still it is paying off. Our numbers are staying pretty good.
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Post by Kimby on Apr 5, 2020 1:38:11 GMT
We have had the first death in my county. Still only 20 cases county-wide. 281 cases & 6 deaths in the state of Montana. We got an early start on social distancing. Which will mean this stretches out well into the summer, and beyond...
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Post by kerouac2 on Apr 5, 2020 3:43:43 GMT
It looks like Italy, Spain and France are reaching their peak. It will be nice when the numbers start to go down.
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Post by patricklondon on Apr 5, 2020 4:40:47 GMT
There are many more ads on TV now for various religious groups and cheap life insurance for the aged. Daytime TV here has for years been targeted at the elderly (insurance, equity release, mobility and bathing aids) but just recently I notice a fair few more for a simple cremation service. I wonder why ... (Religious and political advertising aren't allowed).
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