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Post by whatagain on Jun 17, 2021 15:35:40 GMT
I fear that being raped is a fantasy for a man but a reality for a woman.
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Post by bixaorellana on Jun 17, 2021 15:45:57 GMT
Isn't that the whole point of bar discussions. Heaven forfend if one actually solved one of the world's troubles. Opiniated discussions either run out of steam, or mine host throws the participants out at 4am Good point, Questa. This board is specifically for discussions, so naturally for opinions. Whatever a participant throws out is fodder for discussion, with a good discussion including the reasons for the various opinions, good or bad.
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Post by casimira on Jun 17, 2021 17:22:24 GMT
Excellent summation and explanation ~ thanks, Mark. Ditto here. And, I don't agree that Mark's explanations fall or give cause for being branded an "alpha male".
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Post by whatagain on Jun 17, 2021 17:28:25 GMT
Well he does sound like my in law who considered himself an alpha male. Lecturing and discussing are two different things.
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Post by casimira on Jun 17, 2021 17:35:20 GMT
I prefer to interpret what's being said is more well thought out opinions. I may not agree with them all but they do help me better understand the discussion and don't feel they are imposing on my opinions.
More like "food for thought".
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Post by kerouac2 on Jun 17, 2021 18:02:56 GMT
I had to struggle out of the quicksand of Mark's word swamp. I'm sure it helps him talk his way across questionable borders. Since you think it was clear, what was your favourite sentence, casimira? Or anyone else?
Jafar in Aladdin had similar powers.
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Post by casimira on Jun 17, 2021 18:06:26 GMT
Oh Kerouac please...
I agree that more brevity would be ideal but, to inquire as to what my "favorite" sentence is seems ridiculous.
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Post by kerouac2 on Jun 17, 2021 18:09:44 GMT
I'm am just so relieved that you say that brevity would have been better. Some people think that the more they say, the more convincing they are. (All those politicians...!)
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Post by Kimby on Jun 17, 2021 18:39:59 GMT
Meanwhile, over the years, I have known 4 women who told me they were raped at one time or another, and this was before the current definition of sexual assault. This was a time when rape was full penetration. A bus station, a deserted street... I remember some of the details but not all of them. You generally get to hear these stories when both parties are nearing the end of a night of imbibing and the horrible anecdotes get told. In any case, none of these women went to the police because they felt that they would not receive any help. And this was also the time when women felt guilty for having "attracted" the person one way or another. There was a time when “date rape” wasn't considered rape. Just getting carried away.
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Post by kerouac2 on Jun 17, 2021 19:13:13 GMT
I fear that the status of date rape has not really evolved all that much.
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Post by bixaorellana on Jun 17, 2021 19:36:41 GMT
Any posted opinion about which a poster feels strongly might sound as though he/she is lecturing.
Any thoughts which a poster thinks are difficult to convey adequately can lead to many sentences.
Any poster at any time may express him/herself poorly.
Any poster who feels his/her contributions will be publicly discussed on their literary merit may well stop posting at all.
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Post by onlyMark on Jun 17, 2021 20:12:40 GMT
That's one of the things I admire about K2. His ability pull some contentious and mildly insulting comment out of nothing. It's an alpha male trait I lack, so maybe he is just trying to deflect from his own alpha male status on here.
And why the verbosity by me in this thread? One is, unlike some, if someone raises a point I feel as though I ought to answer or comment on it as the instigator of the subject, not just skip past it. Secondly, and knowing that K2 tends to just have the patience to read the first sentence or two of any comment (especially mine, as he has pointed out on a few occasions), it's easy to slip stuff in towards the end of it that he won't comment on - until that is, just about as the subject is finished, he'll catch up and say something. I think of him akin to Lance-Corporal Jones in Dad's Army who always comes to 'Attention' half a beat too late.
I've just driven down from Germany to Spain and a bit tired so I can't devote much time to anywhere for the next few days as I still have quite a way to go. I'm only about half way to the house. Plus I think I have four or five reports to write from Bosnia and Montenegro still pending. I'll get round to them when I can. Some good photos.
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Post by fumobici on Jun 17, 2021 20:55:56 GMT
I fear that being raped is a fantasy for a man but a reality for a woman. Maybe rape laws should not be gender neutral but explicitly state that women in most cases cannot rape men. By the current definition of the word, I've been raped a number of times insofar as I wasn't capable of legal consent because of either age or inebriation. I have no regrets in hindsight and I'd be appalled to even consider the possibility of any of the women involved being charged.
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Post by Kimby on Jun 17, 2021 22:48:59 GMT
Actually a woman with a broomstick could commit a pretty foul rape on a man, don’t you think?
Inebriated people may not be legally (or morally) able to give consent, but consent they do, all the time. And like Fumo, the regrets are often milder than with violent rapes.
Date rape drugs are a whole ‘nother story however.
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Post by questa on Jun 18, 2021 7:44:30 GMT
What about the "Rape" that Julian Assange was charged with... 2 girls willingly spent the night with him, consented to sex and one girl slept in his bed. He woke earlier than she did and was having sex again with her. She reported it as a rape. Of course it was all political and eventually charges were dropped, but it shows what thin ice the legal system is skating on.
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Post by bjd on Jun 18, 2021 9:47:26 GMT
Actually a woman with a broomstick could commit a pretty foul rape on a man, don’t you think? That's not rape, that's assault.
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Post by Kimby on Jun 18, 2021 13:12:11 GMT
Rape IS assault.
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Post by Kimby on Jun 18, 2021 13:13:35 GMT
I think we’re conflating two issues: physical assault and lack of consent.
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Post by kerouac2 on Jun 18, 2021 14:05:15 GMT
At least we're not going off topic since rapes are often performed with choke holds.
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Post by onlyMark on Jun 18, 2021 14:10:46 GMT
bjd, the definitions of rape vary by country to country. In the UK the broomstick would be an offence of Assault by Penetration. Rape needs a penis involved. But in the US the definition can very between States but generally follows the wording of - "Penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim."
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Post by fumobici on Jun 18, 2021 14:52:06 GMT
So by that definition a US woman can have sex with a man inebriated into a semi-conscious state and thus unable to consent as long as his anus remains unpenetrated. Cool.
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Post by mickthecactus on Jun 25, 2021 20:50:39 GMT
Chauvin gets 22.5 years.
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Post by bixaorellana on Jun 25, 2021 21:56:14 GMT
Mick, I just looked up Chauvin's age, which is 45. If he serves the full time, he won't get out until he is 67. That's not all that old, but that time uses up what would have been an active middle age moving into his early golden years, so certainly a punishment. Be that as it may, George Floyd will never be any older than 46.
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Post by kerouac2 on May 26, 2022 15:19:04 GMT
It's just been two years since George Floyd was killed but so much crap has happened since then it seems like it was a decade ago.
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Post by whatagain on May 26, 2022 20:22:53 GMT
And not much has changed.
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Post by kerouac2 on Jan 28, 2023 20:38:24 GMT
Tyre Nichols, anybody? His screaming for his mother's help is one of the most heart rending things that I have ever seen.
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Post by casimira on Jan 29, 2023 1:04:22 GMT
I could not agree more Kerouac.
My husband and I watched the video of the poor man, and it was difficult to say the least for us to watch and the audio accompanying it only added to the horrific nature of the whole incident.
I am at a loss for any more words on this topic it is that disturbing.
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Post by lugg on Jan 29, 2023 20:31:15 GMT
I have read about it of course but cannot bring myself to watch the videos at the moment.
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Post by casimira on Jan 29, 2023 22:45:13 GMT
A wise decision dear Lugg.
I wish that I hadn't in hindsight. I wasn't up to date on the incident whenever it occurred so I suppose I didn't think it could possibly be any worse than other incidents of police brutality.
I was very wrong.
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Post by Kimby on Jan 29, 2023 23:26:51 GMT
And the victim in this police killing seems to have been a fine young man and father and blameless in bringing down the policemen’s wrath upon himself.
What is WRONG with people these days?
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