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Post by whatagain on Jul 1, 2020 17:00:09 GMT
Now that we start readings analysis and polls that suggest Trump may not win, since he shot himself so many times in the foot I u derstand that a slight ramp becomes difficult for him to walk, i thought it was a ggod time to open a thread on Biden.
Who is he, what does he believe in, etc.
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Post by whatagain on Jul 1, 2020 17:03:02 GMT
What i liked is his recent attack on Trump asking him what ki d of a war leader he was, after declaring war on Covid...
I found it intelligent to hurt Trump where he is the most upset about : power.
Since Trump is fascinated by the military, catching him on his nonexistent capabilities as a war leader sounds untelligent to me.
I must say it us also the first time i heard Buden had said something...
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Post by fumobici on Jul 1, 2020 21:46:02 GMT
He's had a long career as a politician and been wrong on the big issues of the day with disconcerting consistency. Due to the odd electoral system we use for Presidential elections in the US it makes no difference in my "safely blue" state whom I vote for so I won't be giving him my vote. But I still won't mind seeing him kicking the Cheeto Benito out of the White House next year either. For someone of the left, he's a shit sandwich, but he's still better than Trump.
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Post by casimira on Jul 2, 2020 0:08:28 GMT
I know this is mean spirited but, I really want to find a video of Biden sometime recently giving a speech and he went off script so badly that the interpreter using sign language stopped with this blank stare and look of puzzlement on her face. WTF  Pretty much sums it up in so many ways. I've asked T to please try and find it but neither of us has been able to locate it. Likely got burned up and is up on some cloud, way, way, up there. It's that bad. |
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Post by spaceneedle on Jul 2, 2020 6:41:54 GMT
He's had a long career as a politician and been wrong on the big issues of the day with disconcerting consistency. Due to the odd electoral system we use for Presidential elections in the US it makes no difference in my "safely blue" state whom I vote for so I won't be giving him my vote. But I still won't mind seeing him kicking the Cheeto Benito out of the White House next year either. For someone of the left, he's a shit sandwich, but he's still better than Trump. Or as a friend succinctly put it: "The next election is like being asked if you want to be shot in the right leg or the left leg..."
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Post by fumobici on Jul 2, 2020 14:52:24 GMT
Casi- "I know this is mean spirited but, I really want to find a video of Biden sometime recently giving a speech and he went off script so badly that the interpreter using sign language stopped with this blank stare and look of puzzlement on her face. WTF Pretty much sums it up in so many ways. I've asked T to please try and find it but neither of us has been able to locate it. Likely got burned up and is up on some cloud, way, way, up there. It's that bad." (had to do it this way as the quote function isn't working for me) There are several videos I've seen that make me doubt Biden's mental fitness. I hear people waving it off as a stuttering problem he's had his whole life, but if you can watch and still believe that I've got a bridge over the East River perhaps I could interest you in.
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Post by bixaorellana on Jul 2, 2020 17:54:18 GMT
Whatagain, Joe Biden is decidedly not my candidate of choice, but he is who I'll vote for in this election. Like many other registered Democrats, I'm still pissed off about the machinations of the Democratic National Commitee in the last presidential election and to my mind, they're still at it. It seemed as though campaigning by the two strongest progressive candidates stopped abruptly, especially in the case of Elizabeth Warren. She was not my preference of those two, but I would have liked for her to have stayed in the race & keep saying what she had to stay. And I would so much have liked for her to be the foil to the orange turd right now. Whatever -- Joe Biden is a completely unsurprising choice to be enshrined as our candidate by the DNC. Biden is as Fumobici describes him in reply #2. I guess his only saving grace (besides not being Trump), is that as a political animal he may support some popular progressive ideas as president. As far as his mental acuity, I don't think he was ever that sharp. It distresses me, though, to see his verbal bumbling automatically ascribed to his age. I can't see him as presidential material, but it's not because of his age. I have no trouble at all seeing Bernie Sanders as president, for instance. Even Trump is not necessarily "too old" to be president. Joe Biden could only be considered "of the left" in the US's current political climate of raging fascists contrasted with relatively normal humans. |
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Post by fumobici on Jul 2, 2020 17:59:36 GMT
I meant (and should have said) "from the perspective of someone from the left". Lazy, imprecise writing, my apologies.
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Post by bixaorellana on Jul 2, 2020 18:01:53 GMT
 Thanks, Fumobici. You had me worried there for a minute! |
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Post by kerouac2 on Jul 2, 2020 18:12:21 GMT
Mental acuity is not the biggest problem, as long as you have reliable advisors to whom you listen. G.W. Bush did not have a great amount of mental acuity either, but he listened to his handlers. Unfortunately in that case, it was probably the wrong thing to do.
As for allowing yourself to vote for a different candidate, fumobici, I completely understand that, due to the electoral college. We all know how Washington state as a whole will vote. Actually, I did the same thing in Paris last week, even though it was a bit more perverse. Paris (and Lyon and Marseille) elect the mayor through an electoral college, too, unlike the rest of the country. I am a fervent supporter of Mayor Hidalgo and yet I didn't vote for her. She got 62% of the vote in my arrondissement, so why bother? Instead I voted for poor Agnès Buzyn, who is a good person although she can be faulted for being in Macron's camp (I support him, too, but I fully understand why a lot of people hate him.). She only got 16% of the vote, but it didn't matter. I just didn't want her to be wiped out completely.
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Post by cheerypeabrain on Jul 2, 2020 20:42:20 GMT
So is Biden the lesser of two evils then? He's an unknown quantity here.
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Post by casimira on Jul 2, 2020 20:58:27 GMT
Consider yourself lucky Cheery, you're not missing much I'm afraid to say.  |
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Post by bixaorellana on Jul 2, 2020 22:47:52 GMT
Anything you compare to Trump, be it a rabid dog or an ethically wimpy and somewhat clueless candidate, is the lesser of two evils.
But yes, Biden is the more palatable of the two candidates. There is also the hope -- to which I'm going to cling -- that Biden in courting voters will make enough progressive promises that a few of them might actually get fulfilled.
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Post by questa on Jul 3, 2020 1:18:51 GMT
If something happened to Biden, who would be next in line? Does Biden get to select that person or are elections held by the Dems to choose his replacement? It is not the same as a 'running mate' is it? (That always gives me a mental picture of a pack of dogs)
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Post by casimira on Jul 3, 2020 2:34:22 GMT
The yet to be announced either bitch or runt, alpha, or mutt that he chooses to run aside or behind him.
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Post by fumobici on Jul 3, 2020 3:11:37 GMT
Mental acuity is not the biggest problem, as long as you have reliable advisors to whom you listen. G.W. Bush did not have a great amount of mental acuity either, but he listened to his handlers. Unfortunately in that case, it was probably the wrong thing to do. As for allowing yourself to vote for a different candidate, fumobici, I completely understand that, due to the electoral college. We all know how Washington state as a whole will vote. Actually, I did the same thing in Paris last week, even though it was a bit more perverse. Paris (and Lyon and Marseille) elect the mayor through an electoral college, too, unlike the rest of the country. I am a fervent supporter of Mayor Hidalgo and yet I didn't vote for her. She got 62% of the vote in my arrondissement, so why bother? Instead I voted for poor Agnès Buzyn, who is a good person although she can be faulted for being in Macron's camp (I support him, too, but I fully understand why a lot of people hate him.). She only got 16% of the vote, but it didn't matter. I just didn't want her to be wiped out completely. I understand and approve.
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Post by whatagain on Jul 5, 2020 17:49:24 GMT
Thanks all.
He is virtually unknown here so i eas wondering.
On the subject of foreign affairs, can we expect him to be remotely interested in Europe or will he continue on the line : i dont care about them, i focus on pacific area and south America ?
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Post by bixaorellana on Jul 5, 2020 17:59:04 GMT
On the subject of foreign affairs, can we expect him to be remotely interested in Europe or will he continue on the line : i dont care about them, i focus on pacific area and south America ? Whatagain, I imagine everyone, no matter which candidate they support, assumes that Biden would try to regain the relationship with Europe that Trump has done so much to destroy. |
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