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Post by kerouac2 on Apr 16, 2023 5:20:11 GMT
I will never match your ignorance. This is a debate board. Some people fail to understand that debates are useful.
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Post by bixaorellana on Apr 16, 2023 5:42:53 GMT
Oh, of course. And outdated, inaccurate, demeaning depictions of various groups of people are the way to move a debate forward.
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Post by kerouac2 on Apr 16, 2023 6:14:42 GMT
Well, I haven't seen your statistics yet. Your definition of "offensive" seems to be anything with which you disagree without offering any coherent rebuttal. You clearly lived in my hometown and went to school with the same people as I did, attended St. Thomas church and went to the Elks Club for bingo, so I'm wondering which different people you met who were totally different from my experience.
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Post by mickthecactus on Apr 16, 2023 8:18:26 GMT
It can’t be easy playing bingo with elks.
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Post by kerouac2 on Apr 16, 2023 12:53:55 GMT
They cheat.
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Post by bixaorellana on Apr 16, 2023 14:41:13 GMT
From what you've reported on this forum, you left there over fifty years ago & never looked back. But thanks for the perceptions left over from your callow youth.
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Post by kerouac2 on Apr 16, 2023 14:43:59 GMT
Please inform me (us) how things have improved*. Really. I never knew you were an expert on these matters.
*not necessarily an improvement in my book to search for things in the past. You can ask young Germans how it makes them feel, or the children of Klansmen, since the subject is Americans.
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Post by bixaorellana on Apr 16, 2023 14:58:52 GMT
I never said anything about "improvements". Where are your statistics, incidentally? Also, your second paragraph above makes zero sense.
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Post by kerouac2 on Apr 16, 2023 16:11:49 GMT
My "statistics" are my own personal experience. You don't seem to have revealed any personal experience on this subject, but you must have as much if not more experience in Americans talking about their cultural roots than I do. If you say that I am talking nonsense and offending you, than you must have some proof to contradict me. Did your family sit on the porch at night marveling about their Italian heritage? I don't seem to recall you ever mentioning it.
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Post by bixaorellana on Apr 16, 2023 16:24:39 GMT
Yes, in common with many other people from the US & probably Canada as well, I always heard stories about the background of both sides of my family. As far as never mentioning it, it's the opening sentence of my Cefalù thread & alluded to in the title of it as well.
And you're the one who brought up statistics. So sorry I have no recordings of my grandparents, etc. speaking.
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Post by fumobici on Apr 16, 2023 17:50:13 GMT
I'm told our family(ies) are part English, Danish, a little French and Lord knows what else. Heinz 57 and proud of it dammit! For Americans, I think the longer your ancestors have been there, the less it tends to matter anymore. We all just wind up as mutts anyway eventually.
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Post by kerouac2 on Apr 16, 2023 18:10:56 GMT
My stepfather from North Carolina never mentioned any sort of roots. His father was probably from North Carolina, maybe his mother, too. It stopped there. they were just American and that was good enough without adding another layer.
As for my biological father, he had no interest in his origins, but his mother did, since she had a precious copy of the National Geographic from the 1940s that talked about our ancestors founding New Glarus, Wisconsin. But that was it -- there were absolutely no Swiss traditions, no Swiss food, nothing left of the language... I'm pretty sure that my American grandfather's real name was Wilhelm, but on just about every document mentioning him, it is marked William but to the world he was just Bill. Anyway, they had 5 children and absolutely no ancestral heritage was passed down (I had something like 18 cousins back in those days because thoey were breeders.). This is what has given me the impression that most people just don't care.
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Post by mickthecactus on Apr 16, 2023 18:41:43 GMT
I read that Biden also had English and French ancestors. No votes there.
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Post by whatagain on Apr 16, 2023 20:07:20 GMT
Apparently we come from Germany. Z german gardener called Alois in the early 1600. I never felt i was German. My mother said one of her grandmother was French. I have never considered myself a French. Now it also possible that an ancestor has been raped or had an adultery relationship that would wreck the family tree that i once got had in my hands. I was born in Belgium, I am belgian. Actually i feel more like an European.
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