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Post by bixaorellana on May 7, 2021 21:52:51 GMT
Mark, you cannot have any idea of how happy these two sets of pictures make me! Only twice in my life have I had the opportunity to climb all the way up into similar fortifications. Once I was entirely alone and the other time with no other people very close by. Both times are favorite memories because of the absolute pleasure of being high enough up to survey everything below. Fumobici wrote: they clearly could have skipped the whole 'building extensive hilltop fortifications' and gone straight to the 'became unnecessary' part But no! They absolutely had to build the giant thing on the hilltop because who wouldn't want to have one?! Obviously it's even cooler if you are the ruler and everyone can see the big stone crown on the highest peak is yours, all yours. Totally envious of your day out, even though I'm panting just from looking at the pictures. In reply #20, in one of the pictures of the steps there is a person with bad hair & an umbrella. Is he or she selling clothing? hanging it out to dry? Your pictures are absolutely wonderful.
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Post by onlyMark on May 8, 2021 6:31:11 GMT
I do have an attraction to abandoned fortresses, strongholds, castles and also enjoy them. I'd much rather go around these than the still used or renovated ones that seem to have little atmosphere. One imagination game we have played as a family and with friends is an adaptation of the 'if you were a vegetable, what would you be?' - but if you were a building. You have to see if what you think is the same as what is suggested by those who know you. I tend to end up as a fortress, Mrs M as an old classical library, one friend is a drop in social centre, another is a mutli-ethnic restaurant, one is a sports centre etc etc.
The reports so far actually cover one day and part of the morning of the next, there's a little more to come for the rest of that second day. The woman on the steps is a Roma and she is selling trinkets like fridge magnets, key rings, bags and materials. I've not yet seem photos of the village, of those steps, where there isn't her or someone similar doing the same.
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Post by mossie on May 8, 2021 7:04:37 GMT
Not for me octogenarian hobbling round on my stick, the place is more suited to mountain goats. Hi Mark!
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Post by onlyMark on May 8, 2021 8:24:59 GMT
Hello Mossie. My mountain goat days aren't so frequent now. It must be the camera angle.
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Post by onlyMark on May 8, 2021 9:09:42 GMT
We’d obviously had quite a while looking through the village and we decided to stop for lunch before we took anything else in. It would have been easy enough to call in any of the towns and get a restaurant meal. Most had seating outside anyway so the restrictions for eating inside due to covid hardly mattered. The area is famous regarding eating for trout and as we both enjoyed that we stopped at a hotel/motel/old water mill and restaurant on one of the other rivers. This one – best jump to 1:38 until 1:56 and then 2:17 to the end. Not my video – We sat on the island to have our meal. Very pleasant. Mrs M is sitting patiently by herself waiting for me –       Yes, tasted good. Even the green leafy thing. Seasoned just right. Cost equivalent to about five euros - 
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Post by tod2 on May 8, 2021 9:47:32 GMT
What a delightful setting for lunch Mark! The gurgling or swish of the water passing by must be so soothing for a lunchtime meal. Your trout looks a good size and the spinach and potato looks yum.
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Post by kerouac2 on May 8, 2021 10:12:34 GMT
I bet they keep an eye on people who have been drinking too much before they cross the bridge.
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Post by onlyMark on May 8, 2021 10:56:00 GMT
That's what the canoes are for. Rescue them.
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Post by onlyMark on May 8, 2021 12:14:16 GMT
Even though we’ve had lunch, I’ll take you to another lunch spot where we could have had a bite to eat. As the last post was quite short I’ll add this also in here for today. It’s called Koćuša waterfall and is in the village of Veljaci (in the municipality of Ljubuški), on the river Mlada. But it is on the same river as the first post, Kravice waterfall, which is on the river Trebižat. The problem is that even though the river is just 51km long, these are the names it goes by in different places – “Because the Trebižat River disappears and reappears various times and places, the people used to call it different names. At least nine names are regularly used, and few other are known to be used as well - overall some thirteen names are known to be used at different point in times and/or by different communities along its course, at various locations and for different sections: the Vrljika (from its original wellspring at Proložac to Kamenost (Podbablje)), the Matica (from Kamenmost in Croatia to Drinovci in Bosnia and Herzegovina), the Tihaljina (from wellspring at Peć Mlini to Mladi), the Mlade (from Mlade to Perila), the Stari (Old) Prokop & the (New) Prokop or the Kanal (from Perila to Jegetina), and the Trebižat (from Jegetina, through Ljubuško Polje, till confluence with the Neretva in village Struge near Čapljina); also at various places the river is called Brina, Culuša, Ričina, Suvaja (at Posušje), & Rika.” Talking about making life complicated...... www.sarajevotimes.com/waterfall-kocusa-one-beautiful-attractions-bih-still-unknown/We stopped for a walk round and a quick after lunch coffee but we didn’t stop too long as it was threatening rain later and we wanted to get to our last place of the trip before that came down. You can see there is absolutely nobody there at all. The lack of tourists is really killing that section of the economy in the country. The restaurant we had lunch at was busy because it isn’t a tourist place as such, it is frequented mainly by locals, who still naturally go out for lunch. I’d certainly stop here in better times though. The waterfall is only about 5m high but is about 50m long, so not as spectacular as the other one, but definitely scenic –                 This last photo will no doubt stretch the screen so I'll just post it by itself.
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Post by onlyMark on May 8, 2021 12:15:22 GMT
Panorama shot - 
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Post by onlyMark on May 8, 2021 12:16:10 GMT
One more small but important place to show you.
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Post by tod2 on May 8, 2021 12:21:28 GMT
Just so beautiful Mark! Wish we could hear the rush of the water....sigh
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Post by kerouac2 on May 8, 2021 13:03:18 GMT
The spillway is at least partially manmade, no?
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Post by onlyMark on May 8, 2021 14:31:54 GMT
Tod, just put your tap on. It'll be about the same. K2, yes, I think over the years they've altered and adjusted with a bit of rock cutting and judicious use of local rocks cemented together. I expect to prevent flooding. But seventh photo up from the bottom, the one with the blue benches to the right - and the old car axle attached to the rock - I think it's likely they stick a bit of a water wheel on one end and a whole sheep/lamb on the other somewhere to make a spit. I'd like to see that.
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Post by tod2 on May 8, 2021 14:48:45 GMT
“Because the Trebižat River disappears and reappears various times and places, the people used to call it different names Mark has this name anything to do with Tbllisi in Georgia?
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Post by kerouac2 on May 8, 2021 15:00:20 GMT
K2, yes, I think over the years they've altered and adjusted with a bit of rock cutting and judicious use of local rocks cemented together. Actually, the moment I wrote "spillway" I instantly realised that it had to be somewhat artificial, since anything called a spillway is made by people.
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Post by onlyMark on May 8, 2021 15:45:05 GMT
Tod, I can't see a connection at all.
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Post by onlyMark on May 9, 2021 10:47:00 GMT
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Post by kerouac2 on May 9, 2021 11:03:22 GMT
The flooded restaurant area confirmed a thought I already had about the other place where you had lunch -- there are times when these places have to close due to the river level.
I think the location of the lodge is spectacular, but I bet that every time a boulder comes crashing down from above it could cause a panic even if it misses. I wouldn't want to stay in a room on the top floor. Nevertheless, the cliffs above must still be quite solid or they would have had to abandon that location long ago rather than it being fixed each time. I suppose that the periods of "dilapidation" can last for decades, though, because after a major catastrophic rockfall they must think "it's just not worth it this time" until a new generation decides that it won't happen again. (ha ha)
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Post by bjd on May 9, 2021 11:05:07 GMT
While I was planning the trip to Sarajevo in 2020, I had posted on Thorntree asking about daytrips from Sarajevo. Other than Mostar, everybody mentioned Blagaj.
I'm amazed at how clear the water is in those rivers.
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Post by onlyMark on May 9, 2021 11:11:11 GMT
Supposed to be drinkable bjd as well.
k2, the most recent renovation was done by the Muslim community themselves because nobody else could be bothered.
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Post by tod2 on May 9, 2021 11:59:40 GMT
I wonder whats in the cave opening above the water? Something like the Blue Grotto in Italy? But without lighting. I too am in awe of the clear water.
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Post by onlyMark on May 9, 2021 12:44:26 GMT
Start from 6:14. "Something like the Blue Grotto in Italy?" - not really. That's why the cave itself is not really featured in much -
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Post by onlyMark on May 9, 2021 12:47:32 GMT
As regards clear water, I've not really come across a polluted river yet. You can see everywhere I've reported on has clear water. I'm sure there is pollution near, for example, a town called Zenica to the north of me. But I've not yet seen anything of note because I've no need to go to an industrial place.
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Post by lugg on May 9, 2021 17:21:38 GMT
Wow - what an absolute feast this report is , you have shown us such absolutely stunning places Mark. The water on the river looks so pristinely clear. Such gorgeous colours.
A couple of questions ?
The ? house which is No 6 below " Some brief further info" Are the domes decorative or functional do you know ?
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No 3 pic below " OK got there" - two large pillars to the top right of the photo - any ideas . I wondered if it was a lift or a bridge but probably way off.
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Post by onlyMark on May 9, 2021 19:31:23 GMT
Are the domes decorative or functional do you know Both in a way. It is the Islamic building style and probably with local materials quite easy to do as long as they are not too big. But to add to that, the 'house' is the 'Han' which is the Inn cum caravanserai, so more than likely they are just separate rooms, or were, to stay in. two large pillars to the top right of the photo Correct, a bridge being built for the new motorway. Though if we come back in ten years I bet the view will still be the same the way the motorways progress here. There are a couple of dual carriageways but mainly single carriageways winding and bending through the hills and valleys. Very scenic but not good for commercial transport.
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Post by bixaorellana on May 10, 2021 4:26:55 GMT
Spectacular water views beautifully captured! I love everything, including the plate of fish. The vegetable looks like turnip greens with turnips. What a great place to enjoy a meal.
Some of the lodge pictures remind me strongly of Japanese engravings -- nice!
Glad you all got back in the car before the deluge & glad you shared this trip with us.
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Post by onlyMark on May 10, 2021 5:27:29 GMT
You're welcome. It's always good to see somewhere new.
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Post by mich64 on May 10, 2021 15:40:51 GMT
I have always enjoyed your hikes and day trip posts Mark but more so now. Even though I do not hike much at home, I do when we are on holiday. After viewing this thread a few times I now have plans to hike a gorge near here once the black fly season is over.
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Post by onlyMark on May 10, 2021 16:37:55 GMT
Fresh air is always a good thing.
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