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Post by kerouac2 on Mar 25, 2022 14:25:39 GMT
We'll just hope that Russia will be forced to pay considerable war reparations.
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Post by mossie on Mar 25, 2022 15:20:47 GMT
A laudable idea, but who is going to twist their arms?
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Post by kerouac2 on Mar 25, 2022 15:33:46 GMT
If they still need to sell their oil and gas, it is still a possibility. Their Chinese friends appear not to be as friendly as hoped and even their new customers in Africa are having second thoughts about their reliability.
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Post by kerouac2 on Mar 25, 2022 18:35:50 GMT
The uncrypted conversations by the Russian military are amazing, as is the disappearance of the Russian Minister of Defence.
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Post by bixaorellana on Mar 25, 2022 21:08:59 GMT
On another topic, a glassplant making bottles was cut off from gas in Ukraine, which means it is destroyed. The glass solidified in the oven and the refractory bricks cooled down much too fast, making cracks. If to be restarted you must destroy everything on the hot zone and rebuild. 20 m€ at least, and add some fuel burners to avoid repetition and allow for a slow cooling. What a coincidence! Just a couple of minutes before opening this thread & reading your post, I had watched this very interesting video on how the escalating cost of gas caused by the war has affected Murano: news.yahoo.com/europes-gas-crisis-could-shatter-203000214.html
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Post by whatagain on Mar 26, 2022 14:13:52 GMT
Putin claimed part 1 of his plans has been fulfilled and he will niw concentrate on the east.
Could be very good news. Could mean the victory he must achieve to save face doesn't have to include all of Ukraine...
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Post by kerouac2 on Mar 26, 2022 15:41:45 GMT
It will be interesting to see how many soldiers and how much equipment he will dare to sacrifice before calling it quits. He seems like an omnipotent mad Tsar at the moment, but all of these people have to pay the price of their folly sooner or later.
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Post by Kimby on Mar 28, 2022 16:55:18 GMT
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Post by whatagain on Mar 28, 2022 17:04:19 GMT
There was term for it in Nam : fragging. Killing his officer with a grenade (fragmentation). Easied to have a grenade than a tank at hand...
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Post by kerouac2 on Mar 28, 2022 18:16:36 GMT
The irrepressible enthusiasm of children: On the news tonight, a mother and young son emerged from a bomb shelter in Mariupol. The little kid said "I want to see the tanks!"
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Post by bixaorellana on Mar 28, 2022 22:44:35 GMT
Maybe everyone in the world knew this but me. Nevertheless, I'll brave mockery & bring it up anyway. I was looking at a map in a novel. (The Winter Soldier, by Daniel Mason. $3.99 ebook right now, if anyone is interested.) The map, circa 1914, depicts the area from southern Russia to the Austro-Hungarian empire down to Romania in the bottom right of the map. What got my attention was the area marked as Galicia, which is of course a part of Spain. Naturally I looked it up and felt marginally better when I recognized the word Halychyna as properly belonging to that part of the world. At any rate, the History section of the Wikipedia article, if you skip down to 1772, is fascinating and illuminating. After the History section, keep going through People and then Economy, which includes "Oil and natural gas industry". It's potted history, yes, but much broader than some of the bits and pieces of history we get with the news since the current war started. It really gives insight into aspects of what is going on now, from Russia's insistence that Ukraine is theirs to the complicated history between Ukraine and Poland.
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Post by Kimby on Mar 28, 2022 22:52:43 GMT
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Post by Kimby on Mar 28, 2022 23:34:58 GMT
Ukraine is taking back territory from the Russians. But it’s not in the same condition as it was in when they borrowed it....so sad for Ukrainians.
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Post by bjd on Mar 29, 2022 6:47:19 GMT
Bixa, Galicia was well known as an area to anyone interested in that part of Central/Eastern Europe. "Halychyna" is very obviously a Ukrainian version of the name, since they replace g's with h's, i's with y's, etc.
In any case, that whole area has been a mishmash of peoples and rulers of various nationalities over the centuries.
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Post by mossie on Mar 29, 2022 7:02:15 GMT
My pilot was Polish, he came from Lvov, now called Lviv. That is a very fluid part of the world
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Post by questa on Mar 29, 2022 22:51:00 GMT
My "ex" was born in Lvov as well. Came to Oz on a passport showing that spelling. When he applied for a passport after the spelling became Ukrainian Lviv, the Oz office would not give him one as he was "changing his place of birth" on the documents. It was only when he collected heaps of historical records that showed the city was Lviv for centuries and Lvov for a couple of decades during which my friend had the misfortune to be born there, that they accepted it and issued the passport. He told me that it was a beautiful city.
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Post by questa on Mar 29, 2022 22:54:59 GMT
My pilot was Polish, he came from Lvov, now called Lviv. That is a very fluid part of the world The Polish Air force earned a lot of respect in Oz for skills and guts, didn't they?
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Post by bixaorellana on Mar 29, 2022 22:58:30 GMT
He told me that it was a beautiful city. Can you imagine how people from those cities which are being destroyed must feel right now, watching it live on the news?
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Post by bjd on Mar 30, 2022 7:51:08 GMT
Questa and Mossie -- your pilot and friend came from Lwów (where the w is pronounced like an English v). When the borders were moved in 1945 and the Soviets took over, it became Lvov in Russian. When Ukraine became independent, it became Lviv. Earlier, the Austrians called it Lemberg.
Yes, it was a beautiful city, at least the parts that had been restored. Lots of gray apartment buildings on the outside, but the old city squares and churches were really nice. I think I made a report about it after our trip there in 2008.
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Post by questa on Mar 30, 2022 12:21:44 GMT
Huckle, many thanks for your info about Lviv. My friend didn't talk much about his childhood and refugee years. A few years ago I was in Eastern Europe and Russia and wanted to see a bit of Ukraine but it was too complicated.
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Post by kerouac2 on Mar 30, 2022 13:18:06 GMT
Looks like Putin lied again about reducing the attacks. What a surprise. Denazification continues.
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Post by whatagain on Mar 30, 2022 16:07:50 GMT
Belgian is explusing 17 russian diplomats on accusation of spying.
Russian ambassador complains and tell ys that this unfriendly behavior will not stay unanswered...
Do they smoke weed or have they a great sense of dark humor ?
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Post by htmb on Mar 30, 2022 16:11:24 GMT
Or they’ll just lie and hope you’ll believe them.
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Post by kerouac2 on Mar 30, 2022 16:14:51 GMT
As I watch more and more of these Ukrainian cities reduced to total rubble on the news channels, it looks exactly like the French cities and villages of WW1 and WW2, except that it's in colour this time. I am understanding more and more my grandmother's view of the Germans when I was growing up. (My grandfather never talked about it.)
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Post by bjd on Mar 30, 2022 16:56:39 GMT
Russian "diplomats" are being expelled from several countries, not just Belgium. I wonder why now. It was never a secret that spies worked in embassies.
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Post by bixaorellana on Mar 30, 2022 17:10:28 GMT
Maybe all those countries were just waiting for some kind of legitimate excuse?
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Post by kerouac2 on Mar 30, 2022 17:22:34 GMT
Not to mention the fact that their own embassies have spies in the other countries.
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Post by casimira on Mar 30, 2022 18:04:41 GMT
This may sound petty to some people, but I can't help but think of all the animals, people's pets that had to be left behind as their owners were forced to flee. It breaks my heart.
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Post by bixaorellana on Mar 30, 2022 18:05:54 GMT
I've seen a bunch of articles about rescue agencies either receiving or retrieving pets from Ukraine.
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Post by whatagain on Mar 30, 2022 18:11:30 GMT
Some friends have Ukrainians with them at home : 2 children, the mother (who is mentally and ohysically exgausted(. And one cat. A bloody stupid cat tgat they manage to save but which is a pest. But the famiky loves their cat... so my friendz have to cope. So i just filled in papers to welcome a family too and i did mention no pet.
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