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Post by spaceneedle on Jan 18, 2010 21:37:25 GMT
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Post by fumobici on Jan 19, 2010 0:38:29 GMT
Wow. A stunning combination of ghoulish evil, astonishing hubris, insensitivity and outright stupidity.
USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA
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Post by hwinpp on Jan 19, 2010 4:51:36 GMT
How stupid can you get?
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Post by bixaorellana on Jan 19, 2010 6:29:47 GMT
Have each of you slipped a cog?! First of all, this is classic ABC non-news. Second, who in his right mind would look at a bunch of letters and numbers on a gun sight, goggle, then yell, "OH EM GEE ~~ this references the new testament!!!"? If you will look up Weinstein, you may well come to the conclusion that he is a publicity seeker given to grandiosity. It bothers me a great deal more that we are still involved in this war than whatever the hell is written on some gun sights.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2010 6:45:19 GMT
This is the sort of minor detail which can indeed cause even more outrage in the concerned countries. There is already so much suspicion about the real motivation of the 'crusaders' that any crumb of confirmation is enough to trigger even more atrocities.
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Post by hwinpp on Jan 19, 2010 7:18:13 GMT
Agree completely with Jack.
I'm not anti- militarist, Bixa. If this is true (I don't know Weinstein, I'm just taking the facts from the article) it can get very, very complicated.
One of the causes of the Indian Mutiny was that the Muslim sepoys believed the cartridges issued by the Brits to be contaminated by lard while the Hindu sepoys believed them to be contaminated by beef fat.
I wouldn't want a religious dimension added to the war.
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Post by bixaorellana on Jan 19, 2010 8:11:10 GMT
Yes, HW, I immediately thought of the Indian Mutiny when reading this article. What disturbs me is that Weinstein seems to have his own agenda while draping himself in the noble robes of separation of church & state. He also seems to be the main source for this story and the fanner of the flame.
I take your point about not adding a religious dimension to this war, especially since there is surely an undercurrent of that already. However, I can't see where the stupid codes ever would have been an issue if Weinstein hadn't grandstanded about them.
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Post by spaceneedle on Jan 19, 2010 8:37:14 GMT
There are two big issues here, in my view:
1. Federal monies to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars are paying for these weapons with religious inscriptions on them.
2. When this news hits the wires at Al Jazeera and it's ilk, you can bet our soldiers will be more in harm's way than ever before.
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Post by spindrift on Jan 19, 2010 23:01:30 GMT
I am most definitely anti-militarist and the insensitivity of putting coded Bible messages on US killer weapons is beyond the pale......fools and nutters... this has upset me a great deal.
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Post by spaceneedle on Jan 20, 2010 0:25:51 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2010 6:49:45 GMT
Now that the cat is out of the bag, it's going to get worse.
Meanwhile, I still remember when humanitarian aid was being flown into Sarajevo during the Balkan wars. The people were starving after the endless siege, and Saudi Arabia flew in a cargo 747 containing nothing but thousands of Korans. Food for the soul.
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Post by spaceneedle on Jan 22, 2010 4:16:06 GMT
Now that the cat is out of the bag, it's going to get worse. This |
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Post by hwinpp on Jan 22, 2010 4:50:42 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2010 6:22:02 GMT
"Your tax dollars at work," as they say.
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Post by traveler63 on Jan 23, 2010 3:35:58 GMT
Wait a minute, if memory serves me, religion is the the main post of this whole business so it isn't being introduced, it is all there already and if I am not mistaken a holy war had been called down on the United States. Please do not misunderstand me, I think the whole thing is beyond the pale, and it is my tax dollars paying for this. This whole thing started with 9/11, so whether you agree or disagree, religion is at the crux of the whole. By the way, it isn't coded references it is the book of the bible, the chapter and verse, such John 3:16. AND by the way, these have been sold to other country's military too.
This is a very complex subject and unfortunately it isn't black and white, it is pale shades of gray. I am not happy about the whole thing, but I support the troops, and the USA is spending a whole lot of money, trying to bring education, etc to the Afghanistan people. Our guys and gals are putting themselves in harms way every day. If you look at history, religious beliefs have been a catalyst for an enormous number of armed conflicts, so, it is now, it was then and probably will be in the future. Separation of church and state is an ideal.
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Post by suzanneschuelke on Feb 7, 2010 13:54:06 GMT
Just a final note on this - the company (which happens to be local) has stopped doing it. It apparently started a very long time ago because the founder (long dead) wanted it. All of their guns - private and government had it. They never stopped after his death. With the publicity they have stopped immediately. The government never asked for it and if they knew (I'm not saying they didn't) - they certainly hadn't asked for it.
Of course it was a bad idea - that isn't what I'm saying. It was just stupidity on the government's part rather than an attempt to be Christian (and it is pretty coded if you don't know the method of numbering Biblical verses).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2010 15:05:44 GMT
Well, just so long as the army doesn't switch to the South American drug lord specials.  |
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Post by bixaorellana on Feb 7, 2010 16:42:35 GMT
Thanks, Suzanne -- that's what I said in my first reply. I can't imagine anyone would look at what appears to be a serial number or manufacturer's code and think "bible verse!" Not that I don't think the govt isn't stupid, but I doubt they realized what the manufacturer was doing.
Ha ha on the drug lord's gun. I'm not positive, because the picture is blurry, but that appears to be an image of Saint Jude Thaddeus -- the patron saint of hopeless cases.
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