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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2010 5:00:22 GMT
Erin Prizzey asked the police why they were so hesitant to intervene when she was under the threat of outraged women who disagreed with her findings. "We're afraid of them," was the answer.
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Post by lola on May 26, 2010 13:55:23 GMT
All right, so I lead a sheltered life. I can't remember seeing anyone struck in anger, since maybe in high school where it's a vague memory of drunken parking lot males. (Double never for knives or guns.) Rarely hear raised voices even. I heard about bad girls fighting in high school, rarely. The most violent thing I've ever aimed is a well-deserved hairbrush purposely three feet wide of my husband. Never saw anyone fight over a woman, let alone me, or heard about it among my acquaintance.
But: I don't understand the need to be divisive here, or to line up by gender and throw words. I don't feel that womankind in general needs to be protected from kerouac, etc.; in the unlikely event it did, nothing anyone could say here would help.
My basic answer to the OP: Some people are nuts.
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Post by onlymark on May 26, 2010 16:29:18 GMT
Every Friday night, the length and breadth of the UK, in the bars, pubs and nightclubs, there resounds the call to arms of many males (and females) in the form of "Wot you looking at?"
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Post by Jazz on May 26, 2010 17:55:44 GMT
The storm has passed. I feel no need to examine the reactions of the women, they spoke most eloquently and uniquely for themselves. As did the men. This thread was destined to be controversial, you cannot have an ‘ nice, agreeable and humorous’ discussion about violence. It would lack integrity. The divisiveness was natural, men and women, and, those of us women who have experienced this abuse and those of us who have not. None of us can truly understand the other because we have such different experiences and are all only trying to share our individual perceptions. A man or a woman who has never been abused cannot possibly understand how it feels. Anymore than I can hope to understand what it is like to bear a child and raise this child. Perhaps a person may be somewhat intelligent and well read, but experience always trumps intellect. The combination of the two is the best.
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Post by onlymark on May 26, 2010 18:22:33 GMT
Perhaps a person may be somewhat intelligent and well read, but experience always trumps intellect. The combination of the two is the best.
You called?
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Post by onlymark on May 26, 2010 18:23:45 GMT
A man or a woman who has never been abused cannot possibly understand how it feels. True, but none of us have said otherwise.
those of us women who have experienced this abuse and those of us who have not. It does seem those who've experienced it cannot agree that there are women who tolerate it, even enjoy it. It seems too far from reality. How on earth could they? You must though, at some time, done something you didn't enjoy, yet there are others who did, and you can't understand it. I know there are experiences I've had and would never repeat them, yet others doing the same thing go and do it again and again. Yet there are. You come to my home town (which is not unique) and I'll show you, without a doubt.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2010 21:44:38 GMT
I recently lived in the UK, was there for nearly 3 years. We lived opposite a night club. And I can tell you that every Saturday night when it was booked for a Wedding or any other 'special' event, there would be fistfights around Midnight when it closed down. Without exception. What they were fighting over I have no idea, but the women were right there cheering them on.
I lived in the roughest street in town, a town that is now known as the 'black hole'. Fighting and violence were just an every day event. Both for women and men. It's funny though, how quickly we can used to living in such surroundings. I grew up in the area, and although it was never as bad as it has now got, it always had a reputation.
I've seen women beat up other women, I've seen women beat up on men, on children, and vis versa. In some cases it's a way of life for them. Do they choose to be like this? I have no idea. I can't pretend to understand it, I just know it's there, part of the culture, part of how they are..
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Post by hwinpp on May 28, 2010 3:57:28 GMT
My 'LOL!" wasn't an agreeing one, it was a sarcastic one. More a 'serves you right, Jack'.
I felt very irritated already reading the title. I don't know any woman that 'craves' violence, though I'm not saying there isn't a tiny minority that might.
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Post by betsie on Sept 28, 2010 7:47:00 GMT
How did she know they were addicted to pain and violence? Is she a psychologist/psychiatrist and if so, how many case histories was her research based on and where was it published? What are the provocations which women use to purposely to bring abuse upon themselves? (we know what abusers consider "provocation"-it can be just about anything, from burned toast to not wanting sex- but I'd like to know what you and this "specialist" consider provocation). In the civilised world, most men know there is no possible provocation that would justify hitting a woman. Proper studies have shown that women return again and again to abusive husbands because they have been isolated, reduced to a state of psychological dependency and have no self esteem. Ever heard of Stockholm Syndrome? As to pornography and sexual fantasy: psychologists and sexologists long ago established that violent fantasy in no way indicates that a person would ever want that to happen to them in real life. I'm a bit gobsmacked by the naivety in some of the stuff in this thread. Have you been living on another planet? Don'be alarmed, I didn't find your comments nearly as enraging as a thread I once responded to on another foum about Natasha Kampusch. Now that really made me flip: a bloke there was claiming she was a precocious little minx who had cooperated with her captor, probably because she was having a secret affair with him.
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