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Nov 1, 2021 20:01:00 GMT
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Post by whatagain on Nov 1, 2021 20:01:00 GMT
Crikey! Calling Mark warped and vindictive seems a bit rich, you and your Belgian mate. Did i call Mark something ? I don't read his posts. He does what he wants, i just expects he doesn't mention me. Seems we are ve turung into some personal ground here I'd rather we cool down. UK wanted out. They are out. They are right to be out, right to feel superior. I have the right to think they are stupid. I am finding interesting and funny to see how it evolves. There should be no personal feelings here. Have you personal feelings ?
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Nov 1, 2021 20:04:42 GMT
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Post by mickthecactus on Nov 1, 2021 20:04:42 GMT
You’re the one going on. Give it a rest. Move on.
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Nov 1, 2021 20:38:43 GMT
Post by bixaorellana on Nov 1, 2021 20:38:43 GMT
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Nov 1, 2021 20:42:54 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Nov 1, 2021 20:42:54 GMT
We've always called the Fontainebleau rebate the "Thatcher-I-want-my-money-back" rebate.
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Nov 1, 2021 21:11:09 GMT
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Post by mickthecactus on Nov 1, 2021 21:11:09 GMT
I see that Jersey has started to cave in. They are particularly furious because although they are controlled by the UK, they were not allowed to vote about Brexit. (Then again it is probably their fault for not being part of the EU. What's the expression? Having your cake and eating it too?) Where did you see this? I can’t find it.
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Nov 1, 2021 21:44:16 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Nov 1, 2021 21:44:16 GMT
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Nov 2, 2021 6:06:24 GMT
Post by onlyMark on Nov 2, 2021 6:06:24 GMT
From Bixa's article - "The EU also takes 75% of the customs duties, agricultural duties and sugar levies collected by each member state when goods enter the customs union." Let me get this right because I may have missed this somehow. I thought each country gave a sum of money to the EU leviathan and that was more or less it. But is it that the EU gets their pound of flesh plus these customs duties or do the customs duties make up part of the payment and then the sum needing to be paid is topped up from other stuff (if the money from the duties is insufficient to cover it)?
The way the statement reads "also" as the third word makes me wonder if there is a payment plus the customs duties.
The fishing licences are just temporary ones, just until January, to try and take some steam out of the situation. They are not permanent ones and I doubt France will be satisfied with what they will see as crumbs thrown to them. The UK say they want France to stay within the terms of the trade deal and France say they want the UK to fulfil its agreements of the trade deal. I'm sure both sides think they are right.
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Nov 2, 2021 11:27:30 GMT
Post by onlyMark on Nov 2, 2021 11:27:30 GMT
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Nov 2, 2021 13:23:17 GMT
Post by lugg on Nov 2, 2021 13:23:17 GMT
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Nov 2, 2021 16:24:43 GMT
Post by onlyMark on Nov 2, 2021 16:24:43 GMT
Nice article that Lugg. Thanks. For all the info it says, I was also interested in the letter French Prime Minister Jean Castex wrote to European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen last Thursday(?)- "Castex told von der Leyen Brussels should demonstrate to the public that it is more damaging to leave the EU than to stay." Hotel California - "You can check-out any time you like, But you can never leave."
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Nov 2, 2021 16:32:54 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Nov 2, 2021 16:32:54 GMT
One of the principal things that annoys the French is that France has very strict limits on the catch (although it must be casy to 'catch' scallops) and the fishing seasons. Apparently the British boats have no limits at all and pillage the waters at all times with no regard for sustainability. Not being on the spot to see it for myself, I don't know how true this is.
However, we know what happened to the cod in those waters.
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Nov 2, 2021 16:57:03 GMT
Post by bixaorellana on Nov 2, 2021 16:57:03 GMT
From Bixa's article - "The EU also takes 75% of the customs duties, agricultural duties and sugar levies collected by each member state when goods enter the customs union." Let me get this right because I may have missed this somehow. I thought each country gave a sum of money to the EU leviathan and that was more or less it. But is it that the EU gets their pound of flesh plus these customs duties or do the customs duties make up part of the payment and then the sum needing to be paid is topped up from other stuff (if the money from the duties is insufficient to cover it)? That made me curious, Mark, so I looked it up. The wording in that article indeed suggests something other than how things really are. This explanatory section from the official website of the EU does not specify 75%, but does make it clear that those duties are on imports from outside the EU: europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/eu-budget/revenue-income_enYou probably know that I feel the EU is a good thing. My perception is based on the points delineated in a sub-section of the link above, entitled EU budget: myths and factsAs a non-European and a non-resident of the EU or UK, I'm not engaging in this debate, only offering up anything I find which helps me understand what the EU is and why some UK people would be against it.
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Nov 2, 2021 17:47:20 GMT
Post by onlyMark on Nov 2, 2021 17:47:20 GMT
Bixa, digging deeper in your links it states that "In the period 2021-2027, Member States will retain 25% of the collected customs duties." Which means 75% goes to the EU coffers. I'm not bothering going any deeper to find if this is in addition to the contribution (which I think it is probably) or forms part of it to be topped up. No problem, thanks.
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Nov 2, 2021 18:08:39 GMT
Post by bixaorellana on Nov 2, 2021 18:08:39 GMT
I'm not bothering going any deeper to find if this is in addition to the contribution (which I think it is probably) or forms part of it to be topped up. Mark, countries only collect customs duties from other countries. So a country which is part of the EU would not collect those duties from any other country which is also part of the EU. So yes that 75% (or whatever the actual percentage is) of collected duties from non-EU countries would go to the EU, and yes that it would be over & above a given country's contribution to the EU. Obviously the purpose would be to make EU membership desirable as it would make it easy for goods & services to flow between EU countries and also make those things less expensive to consumers. If I'm interpreting any of this wrong, I hope someone will correct me.
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Nov 2, 2021 19:11:25 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Nov 2, 2021 19:11:25 GMT
The European Coal and Steel Community was established in 1951 to eliminate customs duties among members (and to keep France and Germany from ever going to war against each other again). It must have been a good idea since it evolved into the EU.
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Nov 2, 2021 19:56:35 GMT
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Post by whatagain on Nov 2, 2021 19:56:35 GMT
Called CECA. Belgium was quite busy in its creation. At the time we were the kings of coal and steel. As any grade A students in economics would learn, removing barriers and customs amplifies exchanges. So it seems we created Benelux, then CECA (communaute economique de l'acier et du chsrbon) then CEE (EU).
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Nov 2, 2021 21:37:50 GMT
Post by onlyMark on Nov 2, 2021 21:37:50 GMT
Bixa, I didn't make myself clear but yes, I understood the tax, or rather lack of it between EU countries, that it was from trade with non-EU countries. So yes that 75% (or whatever the actual percentage is) of collected duties from non-EU countries would go to the EU, and yes that it would be over & above a given country's contribution to the EU. Regarding the figures from K2 detailing the contributions of each EU country - if what we think is correct, then over and above that are the sums from collected duties. So when e.g. France imposes taxes on imports from China or the USA, 75% of that tax goes to the EU bank - a) I've never seen any figures for this sum but I'll have to look if there is a record of it somewhere, like with K2's graphic. b) Because this sum never seems to have been mentioned, or at least I've missed it, nor the 75% figure recently brought up, but what I've read so far indicates it is separate. c) J e s u s C h r i s t...... How much more is that then that the EU collects...? I need to get my calculator out. Apparently the EU revenue for 2019 was 164 Billion Euros and for 2020 was 174 Billion Euros. Anyway, out of interest, I'll look more into this for my own 'education'.
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Apr 21, 2022 16:33:56 GMT
Post by bixaorellana on Apr 21, 2022 16:33:56 GMT
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Apr 21, 2022 16:41:23 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Apr 21, 2022 16:41:23 GMT
Things like were to be expected but are not considered important by the UK. I wonder what will happen to all of the British who have holiday habits in the south of Spain.
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Apr 22, 2022 7:05:58 GMT
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Post by mickthecactus on Apr 22, 2022 7:05:58 GMT
I’ve been to Gibraltar twice and getting in was always tedious.
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Apr 22, 2022 11:59:11 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Apr 22, 2022 11:59:11 GMT
Seems like it would be an appropriate place for Boris to go into exile along with the other apes.
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Jun 21, 2022 16:06:11 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Jun 21, 2022 16:06:11 GMT
The employment crisis (missing employees) apparently has two reasons -- 1. Many of the older workers permanently left employment during the covid crisis because they can get by on their partial pensions and of course 2. All of the cheap workers from the EU have no intention of returning, even though they were very much appreciated by most people.
The number of EU residents in the UK continues to dwindle. Luckily, the number of non-EU immigrants is still on the rise, but I'm not sure if this was the point of Brexit.
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Jun 22, 2022 4:04:24 GMT
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Post by patricklondon on Jun 22, 2022 4:04:24 GMT
The number of EU residents in the UK continues to dwindle. Luckily, the number of non-EU immigrants is still on the rise, but I'm not sure if this was the point of Brexit. There was a fair bit of misleading dog-whistle campaigning to give the impression that leaving would somehow make it easier to limit non-EU migration (when in fact it would make no difference at all). (One of the side-effects of rival Leave campaigns: the "unofficials" - Farage and cronies - could say what the "officials" - Johnson and Gove - didn't quite dare to). Though it's quite possible some employers saw - but didn't make a public campaign point about it - that it could be in their interests to have that stimulus for immigrants with fewer expectations as to pay and conditions, especially if employers could be free to ignore EU standards.
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Oct 20, 2022 15:13:09 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Oct 20, 2022 15:13:09 GMT
Anybody who would rejoice about the current state of the United Kingdom would not only be insensitive but also very stupid. And yet a lot of us predicted that this sort of thing would happen with Brexit -- very little EU solidarity for economic problems being the principal element. Of course, in the glorious days of the Brexit vote there seemed to be no possible problems on the horizon while there was the wonderful prospect of a free trade agreement with the United States and better deals with places like China and Australia. Who needs the EU?
And then there was covid-19, followed by the Ukraine war as well as the collapse of the US trade deal (with an Irish-American president). The succession of crazy British politicians was certainly caused at least partially by Brexit. "We're free now and don't have to worry what the EU thinks -- we can do whatever we want!" Like sending refugees to Rwanda perhaps?
So is that what is happening now? The UK is doing whatever it wants?
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Oct 20, 2022 18:59:09 GMT
Post by cheerypeabrain on Oct 20, 2022 18:59:09 GMT
It was a huge mistake to leave the EU, but the tories got into power promising a referendum. They underestimated the power of the trash press, especially with the far right and assumed that common sense would prevail and we'd vote to remain.
It wasn't a good decision imo (Leicester voted to remain!). Everything is worse now. We are thinking of moving to Scotland when they break away from UK...if they'll have us.
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Oct 21, 2022 3:54:24 GMT
Post by bixaorellana on Oct 21, 2022 3:54:24 GMT
That is heartbreaking, Cheery. Not that Scotland wouldn't be lovely, but the reason you'd want to go is such a tragedy.
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Oct 21, 2022 20:20:37 GMT
Post by cheerypeabrain on Oct 21, 2022 20:20:37 GMT
Jeffers refuses to move to Scotland....he says that if we move ever again it will be to Cornwall or the Wye Valley....and if we could afford to move there we'd be so rich we wouldn't care about Brexit.
I'm just sad for my country...because (whilst I'm not fervently waving the flag) I quite like it and a lot of the people here.
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Oct 22, 2022 3:39:07 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Oct 22, 2022 3:39:07 GMT
I think just about all of us have lived through times when we have been ashamed of our government. That period ends sooner or later. What's worse this time is the economy tanking at the same time.
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Nov 16, 2022 16:48:23 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Nov 16, 2022 16:48:23 GMT
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Dec 25, 2022 11:35:42 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Dec 25, 2022 11:35:42 GMT
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