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Post by kerouac2 on Dec 1, 2018 11:31:29 GMT
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Post by kerouac2 on Dec 1, 2018 11:40:39 GMT
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Post by kerouac2 on Dec 1, 2018 11:47:48 GMT
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Post by bjd on Dec 1, 2018 12:29:42 GMT
Maybe they could twin Paris with Buenos Aires, hosting the G20 summit this weekend?
I was listening to the radio while I was making lunch -- not many yellow vests on the Champs Elysées this morning but allegedly 1500 casseurs, out to fight the police and destroy what they can. Most of the blockades around France are peaceful, but Paris is getting the most radical ones. This is ironic since it started out as a protest against the cost of diesel gasoline and so many Parisians don't even have cars.
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Post by mossie on Dec 1, 2018 13:26:19 GMT
The radicals don’t care what the cause is, they just want a cause to latch on to and get in some profitable looting and oppose society by criminality. No way to right wrongs, however they may be percieved.
Interesting to see how the graffiti boys soon get stuck in.
Stay out of trouble Kerouac
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Post by kerouac2 on Dec 1, 2018 15:47:28 GMT
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Post by kerouac2 on Dec 1, 2018 15:51:45 GMT
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Post by kerouac2 on Dec 1, 2018 15:56:51 GMT
So, what happened in the end? None of them went to the Champs Elysées because it no longer appealed to them. The riot started around the Arc de Triomphe and has spread through the streets of the 16th arrondissement where cars and even buildings are burning. This is not a pretty sight. cdn.i24news.tv/upload/image/afp-812e81cfb706a1d882c040217a8d7a523107f0ba.jpgAlso, rue de Rivoli is being vandalized and Printemps on Boulevard Haussmann is being evacuated due to the situation...
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Post by bjd on Dec 1, 2018 16:23:57 GMT
Christ!
Adding a few minutes later that I had a quick look at the news and fires are burning in the Tuileries Gardens near the Louvre. According to the reporter who talked to protestors to ask their opinion, they claim that it's just a sign of how angry people are.
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Post by bixaorellana on Dec 1, 2018 17:19:45 GMT
This is fascinating and infuriating. Like most of us on anyport, I've been following the news stories about this situation from afar, but your report shows up close what is going on. What is infuriating is the destruction of public transportation shelters and the burning & looting. That only hurts the innocent population with no powers to address the grievances of the rioting thugs.
The counter-measures to thwart the rioters must cost a fortune in material and man power. I wonder how much protection those chipboard panels provide, though.
Thanks for this, Kerouac!
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Post by mickthecactus on Dec 1, 2018 19:19:07 GMT
This is very sad. Hate it.
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Post by kerouac2 on Dec 2, 2018 4:49:22 GMT
It looks like the Arc de Triomphe is likely to be closed for months.
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Post by lagatta on Dec 2, 2018 5:24:48 GMT
The whole thing is very strange. No, it is not typical Parisian protest or "ras-le-bol". Something far more disturbing.
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Post by bjd on Dec 2, 2018 5:53:30 GMT
I agree, Lagatta. But of course, when the police and government accuse the far right and far left of joining in to cause trouble, it just sounds as though they can't cope.
Melenchon (far left) said he would be there on Saturday. With his pension as a former senator and current salary as a member of parliament, he is hardly touched by rising prices. And the wealthy Marine le Pen also supports the demonstrations and encourages them.
For years now, many demonstrations have been disturbed by casseurs who are just out to cause trouble and "casser du flic" (fight the police), but this seems like another level of violence.
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Post by bixaorellana on Dec 2, 2018 6:01:57 GMT
Oh no! That sacking of the Arc de Triomphe is obviously just looting and thuggery -- nothing to do with protest. I'm assuming it was taken with a hidden camera.
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Post by kerouac2 on Dec 2, 2018 6:10:03 GMT
Just a trasher with an iPhone. As he gleefully comments what he is seeing, when he enters one of the rooms where at least one person isn't masked, he shouts 'hide your face' -- but it is too late. At least that person will be identified...
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Post by bixaorellana on Dec 2, 2018 6:25:40 GMT
Yes, I wondered about identifications. I want them to get the bastard with the distinctive shoes coming down the stairs.
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Post by kerouac2 on Dec 2, 2018 11:48:35 GMT
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Post by kerouac2 on Dec 2, 2018 11:56:18 GMT
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Post by kerouac2 on Dec 2, 2018 12:27:06 GMT
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Post by bixaorellana on Dec 2, 2018 13:21:28 GMT
Really sad and really disgusting. The "Paris est à nous" graffiti is ironic, considering that the swath of destruction means Paris is for nobody until it can be cleaned up by workers whose salaries are paid by the taxes generated by all those businesses which can't make any money right now.
Yes, there are token slogans painted here and there, but this doesn't even look like political protest -- more like a bunch of overgrown brats tearing up things for fun.
Looks like you were out recording the damage before the sun was up. I'm assuming all the rats had run back to their holes by that time.
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Post by Katharyn on Dec 2, 2018 13:47:58 GMT
Thanks, Kerouac2
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Post by mossie on Dec 2, 2018 13:50:30 GMT
Very distressing to see all this mindless destruction. However, why did it happen? Society is becoming more and more “Them and us”. Take the metro from the station Champs Elysees on line 13 and go to St Denis and you are ina different world. When people see these ostentatious displays of wealth, when they feel completelt disadvantaged and with no way up. Then they react like this. Revolutions can start this way.
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Post by casimira on Dec 2, 2018 14:25:02 GMT
Senseless, thugs. Very depressing and distressing.
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Post by kerouac2 on Dec 2, 2018 14:33:54 GMT
One of the scenes on the news today showed a man trying to stop the trashers from smashing the window of a hairdresser. "Don't do that! People work there! I work there!" The reply he got was "You work in Paris. I work in Perpignan. Try and do my job there." In other words, for that person at least, the battle was about the "easy" life in Paris versus low salaries and hardships in the provinces. It just goes to show the vast incomprehension between the capital and showplace of the world and most of the rest of France. Paris is glorious, we are all rich and life is easy.
Obviously, it can look that way to certain people. Reality is a bit different. Nevertheless, the areas attacked were mostly in the 8th and 16th arrondissements which are among the wealthiest areas in the city. It's horrible to say, but not just the poor suburbs of Paris but also areas in Paris which are far from rich probably eked a certain satisfaction from seeing the rich "punished."
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Post by lagatta on Dec 2, 2018 15:54:56 GMT
Perpignan is far from a horrid place to live, and the weather is much better!
A lot of this looks like the damage we get when the hockey playoffs are in town, (or football championships in Europe).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 16:14:01 GMT
But who is this peoples, who doing this ? where is from, who is the organizer, who responsibility for this ?
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Post by kerouac2 on Dec 2, 2018 16:26:25 GMT
These people are dissatisfied "everyman" who is unhappy with his life, needs to blame somebody and wants to strike out in rage.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 18:23:57 GMT
kerouac2 This peoples not look like who working on this avenue and have business on.This peoples look like young arabs punks from the Paris suburban, maybe not even French citizens.
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Post by kerouac2 on Dec 2, 2018 18:50:53 GMT
Interesting that they look that way to you because the majority of the ones arrested have been identified as French right wing extremists.
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