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Post by bixaorellana on Mar 22, 2021 23:49:27 GMT
Empress, but never mind.
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Post by whatagain on Mar 23, 2021 11:04:14 GMT
I have some friends who are of the nobility. I just learned it 'en passant' because they either don't care or don't show. That is the difference with friends who are gay : i realised sooner that they were gay. As for blacks, i discovered also by accident that some of my friends were actually black 🤣🤣
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Post by lagatta on Mar 23, 2021 12:27:29 GMT
I don't wish any of them ill, but are we allowed to think Meghan is a bit of a pain without being accused of racism?
Moving to L.A. to escape the gutter press?
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Post by mickthecactus on Mar 23, 2021 13:14:07 GMT
I don't wish any of them ill, but are we allowed to think Meghan is a bit of a pain without being accused of racism? Moving to L.A. to escape the gutter press? Good point lagatta.
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Post by casimira on Mar 23, 2021 13:40:26 GMT
I'm with you both on this topic.
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Post by kerouac2 on Mar 23, 2021 14:53:36 GMT
She's still got you talking about her...
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Post by lagatta on Mar 23, 2021 16:46:00 GMT
Funny, as the couple were living on Vancouver Island, where there is an old live and let live boho vibe as well as a touch of British decorum.
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Post by Kimby on Mar 23, 2021 17:15:07 GMT
I think I heard that they had had their royal security revoked, and were receiving threats in Canada.
But there were undoubtedly financial issues involved, as they gave up their royal duties and the income that serving as senior royals earned them.
Plus Meghan’s acting connections could be capitalized upon in Southern California. And celebrities are a dime a dozen there, so they might be less pestered by paparazzi.
Until they did the Oprah interview....
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Post by bjd on Mar 23, 2021 17:55:39 GMT
I don't think they had their royal security revoked, it's just that Canadians didn't think they should have to pay for it.
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Post by mich64 on Mar 23, 2021 18:56:22 GMT
What I understood from listening to the Oprah interview was that Prince Charles revoked their UK security team, February of 2020, and had the security team returned to the UK. It was so unexpected, they felt vulnerable to the threats that were on going, and now it was common knowledge as to exactly where they were living in Canada, now unprotected. Their original plan was to live in one of the Commonwealth countries and they chose Canada but when their private security was revoked they took the offer from friends (Tyler Perry) in the USA who had a secured property with established security.
The Canadian government was not involved with their security so they had to make a decision quickly as they felt exposed. Due to the panic of COVID19 they had to to decide very quickly as borders were closing everywhere and they no longer felt safe in Canada.
It was reported in the Canadian press that many citizens did not agree that we Canadians should have to pay for their security teams (rightly so) but apparently the government was never expected to, Prince Charles was to pay for their security detail but he chose to revoke it when Prince Harry made the final decision that they would no longer be full time working royals.
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Post by bixaorellana on Mar 23, 2021 19:03:59 GMT
Poor entitled (& titled) brats, whining because they can't have their cake & eat it too.
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Post by kerouac2 on Mar 23, 2021 19:12:57 GMT
I haven't at all been listening to them, but are they actually complaining or is it just the press hype?
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Post by bixaorellana on Mar 23, 2021 19:24:30 GMT
I tried to watch part of the interview, but didn't make it very far -- not as far as when Harry joined in.
The part where I simply had to quit was when Megan was rabbiting on about going to meet the queen for the first time. She tells a "charming" story about not knowing how to curtsey, nor that it was something she'd be expected to do. I'm in no way sticking up for curtseying to anyone, but just wanted to barf at her wide-eyed ingenuousness. Even Oprah had to ask if Megan had not done any googling. ("No" titter titter). Jesus -- you're fixing to marry a man whose mother was arguably one of the most famous women in the world precisely because of being part of that family, but you had zero curiosity?!
Megan is an actress, for god's sakes, and Harry has been trained his entire life as to how to present himself in public. The interview was all about telling their side of the story in a way designed to manipulate a celebrity-hungry viewing audience. Boo hoo. They decided to decamp & not cut any more ribbons for whatever obscene amount of money that brings in. But they want to keep the oh-so-marketable Sussex moniker and some other doo-dads such as paid security. Surely they have enough money to hire their own security and to figure out ways to keep publicity at bay if that's supposedly what is so important.
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Post by mich64 on Mar 23, 2021 19:47:18 GMT
they can't have their cake & eat it too. (Mr. M. explained the meaning to this is, they can not have it both ways) I would say yes, I agree with you Bixa. I got the impression that they never expected his father would ever do that to them because Harry is a member of the reigning line of the monarchy to which he was born into and therefore, could not choose to have this noteriety. So yes, Kerouac, complaining, but with Harry feeling it was not his doing because the need for security is out of his control, he was born into it so his dad would pay for it. While yes, this is his reality, it being explained this way in an interview in a beautiful garden with Oprah, the general public probably does view them as whining and entitled. But in Harry's mind in, the royalty world, this was a dignified and legitimate point he felt the need to express and that people would understand and be sympathetic too. (Of course this is all my impression I got from watching the interview and the articles I have read since.)
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Post by bixaorellana on Mar 23, 2021 20:12:54 GMT
While yes, this is his reality, it being explained this way in an interview in a beautiful garden with Oprah, the general public probably does view them as whining and entitled. But in Harry's mind in, the royalty world, this was a dignified and legitimate point he felt the need to express and that people would understand and be sympathetic too. I think that you are a much kinder person than I, Mich! But yes, you make a very good point. They are probably perfectly nice people, but Harry, royal or not, is the product of great wealth & privilege and surely that has colored his world view. Megan certainly made & managed her own money (& lots of it) & did not come from a moneyed background. That right there makes me doubt her "cute" ignorance of what being a member of the royal family would entail and also her surprise that the world can be an ugly place. fun reading: www.harpersbazaar.com/celebrity/latest/a23379222/meghan-markle-net-worth-prince-harry-kate-middleton-prince-william-compared/(Mr. M. explained the meaning to this is, they can not have it both ways) Mich, all my life I have said that I should have my cake and eat it too. Once, in a Chinese restaurant I got a fortune cookie that said, "You can have your cake and eat it too". My husband was sort of amused, but also a little annoyed that my core belief was corroborated.
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Post by mich64 on Mar 23, 2021 23:39:39 GMT
They are probably perfectly nice people, but Harry, royal or not, is the product of great wealth & privilege and surely that has colored his world view. Megan certainly made & managed her own money (& lots of it) & did not come from a moneyed background. That right there makes me doubt her "cute" ignorance of what being a member of the royal family would entail and also her surprise that the world can be an ugly place. I do actually agree with you Bixa. But I do think he really wants the public to think he does not view himself that way and that is probably why he has never been comfortable with a future of cutting ribbons but that was his reality and there was never going to be a halfway or part-time job. I think they honestly thought (entitled arrogance) they could go their own way. I also have a very difficult time believing she did not believe the Royal family actually live this life in private as well and that she would not have practised her curtsy as soon as she began dating him. How would anyone not want to ask as many questions as possible, prepare as much as possible so not to embarass yourself? So no, I think she is not being sincere. I think that is a funny story about the fortune cookie.
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Post by bixaorellana on Mar 26, 2021 23:54:53 GMT
I think you have summarized it perfectly, Mich. Okay, now for a philosophical question couched in construction terms: Which do we wish for more ~ for the workers to show up, or for them to go the hell away? They all seemed to have lost the plot again today & I had to assert myself to get them to do what was after all their own perfectly logical plan. So fine -- they have all worked like beavers today pretty much. One of them, though, -- V. -- who I suspect of not being all that bright, managed to deeply annoy me. There is a water shortage & of course they need water for cement mixing, etc. I told them I had some stashed. I finally managed to make myself a sandwich & sit down in the living room for my first food of the day when V. comes in & asks where the saved water was. I told him to go look by the buckets in the patio & that there were a bunch of bottles and containers there which all had water in them. These are pop bottles, vinegar jugs, laundry detergent bottles, etc. He comes back & says there is no water. I was shocked. Could I have used it on plants & forgotten? I set the sandwich aside & went out & hefted one of the detergent bottles there in plain sight. Me: "This is full of water!" V.: "I thought it was soap!" Christ. Anyway, now for the pet peeve part. They're in the new room spraying paint on all the metal stuff -- window frames, doors, etc. I go look & V. has sprayed the screen in the door. "You're spraying the screen?!" I cried in a voice you can just imagine. "You didn't want it sprayed?", he replied. At that point I snarlingly told him that I was right there in the house and it would be a great deal easier to ASK me what I want, rather than arbitrarily deciding for me, and then having to clean up the mess. I then stomped back to the garage where the contractor was hiding, so I could bitch & ask if there was enough screen to replace the painted one. I don't know what he was doing back there (suspect phone browsing), but there was enough food laid out on two boards -- the groaning board -- to rival any buffet. That is all. I'll just sit here quietly now and wait for the paint fumes to do me in.
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Post by onlyMark on Mar 27, 2021 9:34:41 GMT
Which do we wish for more ~ for the workers to show up, or for them to go the hell away? I've always looked forward to them coming and looked forward to them going away. and it would be a great deal easier to ASK me what I want, rather than arbitrarily deciding for me, Now imagine renovating a whole house and not being there a lot of the time so it is impossible to be asked and you then have to put up with whatever they have decided. And also even when you give detailed instructions it is done how they want because that is the way it is done (I'm thinking positioning of light switches and power points, both at wrong heights and wrongly positioned and even an arbitrary fitting of the rocker light switch so that up was on and down was off, or vice versa. I had to go and check every single one of them and get him to turn them round for consistency and that down was on and up was off). A plumber was fitting a shower head on the wall and piping it up before the tiles were fitted. I happened to walk in as he finished. The shower head was the same height as my nose. The plumber was a small man who couldn't be bothered to find something to stand on to install it higher. He just did it at a comfortable arm working height. I have sympathy for you.
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Post by onlyMark on Mar 27, 2021 10:14:53 GMT
Pet peeve - where someone drops a word that is little known into a conversation and expect you to know what it means or just wants to show how clever they are - like, "They have set up a Patreon..."
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Post by questa on Mar 27, 2021 11:47:24 GMT
They are probably perfectly nice people, but Harry, royal or not, is the product of great wealth & privilege and surely that has colored his world view. Harry is also the product of tragedy. Any little boy whose healthy, vibrant, loving mother is suddenly killed is going to carry that sorrow for the rest of his life. Now imagine if every time there is an opportunity, the TV runs the same old vision of his mother's death...the drunken driver, the tunnel, the pole the car hit and the men of the family walking behind the coffin with Harry forbidden to weep. Just as he starts to heal something else hits the media and he relives it all again. Wouldn't you want to break away and go where the people around you are more or less normal and not obsessed by your mother's death? Although it is being said that it is Meghan who is not coping, I think she is the strong one and will, if left to themselves, let him bury his mother in peace.
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Post by kerouac2 on Mar 27, 2021 11:50:34 GMT
Unknown words do not bother me nearly as much as "Of course you've read Ciceron's collected works regarding Roman law" (or other things of that ilk).
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Post by questa on Mar 27, 2021 12:03:04 GMT
What? Are you saying you have not read Ciceron? His depth of knowledge is awesome and the niceties of his arguments on Roman Law are breath-taking. Of course it is much better when read in the original Latin.
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Post by whatagain on Mar 27, 2021 12:45:20 GMT
Unknown words do not bother me nearly as much as "Of course you've read Ciceron's collected works regarding Roman law" (or other things of that ilk). Obviously i have but i prefer to answer that i am way too stupid for that. It is funny to see the reaction. Nah, it never happened to me, i have good friends / acquaintances.
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Post by bixaorellana on Mar 27, 2021 14:00:10 GMT
positioning of light switches and power points We built a house in North Carolina where the electrician positioned a plug square in the middle of the space over a bathroom sink traditionally reserved for a mirror or medicine cabinet. This electrician was seriously stoned all the time & I had to argue with him to get bright light in the kitchen, rather than the soft mood lighting he would have preferred. He also installed a line of plugs in the living room that wound up looking like dancing figures in a cartoon. He was meticulous in his way, though. He spent a really, really long time installing the junction box. When my husband looked at the finished product he laughed, but admiringly said, "It's macrame!" Thank you. It's all I can ask of anyone.
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Post by kerouac2 on Mar 27, 2021 14:51:14 GMT
My Montenegran attic worker was a total fuck-up on light switches and sockets, besides being drunk on the job (on things out of my cabinet). But the Moroccan worker who prepared my kitchen before the new elements arrived was also clueless about where to install sockets and switches. At least I was already retired by then and was able to keep an eye on his crap and make him fix it. But the attic guy did most of his work while I was at the office, and I suffered the consequences. I think certain cultures do not understand electricity.
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Post by mich64 on Mar 27, 2021 17:15:11 GMT
Wouldn't you want to break away and go where the people around you are more or less normal and not obsessed by your mother's death? Now imagine if every time there is an opportunity, the TV runs the same old vision of his mother's death...the drunken driver, the tunnel, the pole the car hit and the men of the family walking behind the coffin with Harry forbidden to weep. Just as he starts to heal something else hits the media and he relives it all again. Wouldn't you want to break away and go where the people around you are more or less normal and not obsessed by your mother's death? Although it is being said that it is Meghan who is not coping, I think she is the strong one and will, if left to themselves, let him bury his mother in peace. I Agree Questa, there is a combination of issues and some of his experinences we can understand while others are unimaginable and they have also been very public. Who else has had to walk behind the coffin for the world to see at any age let alone his tender young age at that time. Not many others had to serve their military service in constant fear of others being harmed just because of who he is. So yes, his life has been one challenge after another. What I do feel is that they love one another deeply and strongly and agree that Meghan is the strong one.
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Post by whatagain on Mar 28, 2021 9:37:19 GMT
Women are the strong ones. They deliver life, remember ? Men are the ones destroying life.
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Post by kerouac2 on Mar 28, 2021 12:31:23 GMT
I am getting really tired of clicking on "PRINT" on my computer and getting the message "You don't seem to be using genuine Epson cartridges which have been proven to be the only good ones. Your inferior cheap cartridges are certainly going to destroy your material. Would you like to remove your crappy cartridges now and replace them with genuine Epson cartridges, or are you going to continue down the path of disaster?"
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Post by casimira on Mar 28, 2021 12:40:03 GMT
That we make me positively crazy Kerouac. "I feel your Pet Peeve".
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Post by questa on Mar 28, 2021 12:49:34 GMT
Just remember the fate that befell the Photo bucket (who?) company when they got up their customers' noses.
There! feeling better?
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