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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2009 23:17:26 GMT
Have you ever experienced any? Do you believe in the supernatural? Do you think that Clairvoyants are for real?
Any thoughts on this?
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Post by hwinpp on Jul 25, 2009 3:42:53 GMT
In brief:
No.
No.
No.
Superstition.
But I have very old, very good friend and relatives who claim to have supernatural experiences. I don't criticise them and I don't make fun of them though I do try to find rational explanations.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2009 5:16:32 GMT
I agree with hw.
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Post by lola on Jul 25, 2009 23:42:51 GMT
Kind of.
A little bit.
Maybe.
I have been around when people died in hospital, and thought I felt presence of a spirit in the room for ~ 2-3 hrs.
Highway-side floral memorials and crosses and those at the scenes of other violent deaths hint that people believe the spirit lingers there.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2009 3:50:23 GMT
I am really surprised that ghosts have not yet discovered the internet. They would be good at it.
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Post by cigalechanta on Jul 26, 2009 4:16:35 GMT
I hope they exist. I saw something as a child but my parents said I was dreaming
I.m not sure who was right.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2009 10:35:23 GMT
There have been times when I have experienced an overwhelming presence of a departed loved one. Can't really describe it,used to freak me out ,and over time have become more at ease with it. Generally doesn't last a long time. I can only describe it as a visit of sorts. Whether or not it's real doesn't even matter. It just is.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2009 11:48:24 GMT
It's easy, I think, to brush these kind of events aside. And I would do just that, expect for the fact that as a kid, I experienced things that I can't explain. I have been to see a clairvoyant before and was surprised at just how accurate she was, especially about the past and also about what was to happen in the near future (what she said came true, completely).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2009 11:55:08 GMT
I am really surprised that ghosts have not yet discovered the internet. They would be good at it. Well, I wasn't going to mention it, but I think I might be a ghost. |
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Post by hwinpp on Jul 27, 2009 4:41:36 GMT
Here's one that sounds funny but the person it happened to is deadly serious when she tells the story. It's my cousin, just a couple of years younger than I am, western educated including studying in America.
She claims she saw a vampire. Where? In a big modern mall in KL. Doing what? Withdrawing money from an ATM. How does she now? The vampire smiled at her. Who else saw? Nobody.
So what am I to make of that? She would not lie to me. She didn't go to the press, she tells the story very matter of factly, her husband, brother, friends believe her.
My best buddy once did this glass moving thing once where everybody puts a finger on a reversed glass and then asks questions and the glass moves and spells out the answers by moving to certain letters of the alphabet or numbers laid out on the table. He told me he's never been so terrified!
Here in Cambodia everybody believes in ghosts, but not just here, in neighbouring countries as well. When I told my Thai friends I was going to work here they immediately tried to convince me not to go and when that didn't help they took me to a temple to get 'protection'. Cambodia is the land of black magic, they said. My girlfriend is Thai and I took a year convincing her to come and then when she came she immediately got seriously sick (though she doesn't blame that on ghosts).
A guy I occasionally have business dealings with nonchalantly told me over dinner there was a ghost living in the mango tree behind his house, he'd seen it several times. He also calls in witches and magicians to appease ghosts that live in other properties he owns.
When I say I've never, ever seen anything strange they tell me I'm blind.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2009 10:46:28 GMT
I find that very fascinating hw,how a culture can be so immersed in that way of thought.
Similarly,there is still a spillover of that same phenomena here with voodoo. Aside from the hokey portrayal that's exploited in movies and books (Marie Laveau and the Anne Rice novels) there's a Carribean influence that's rich in black and white magic,"gris gris" and all that.
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Post by spindrift on Jul 27, 2009 18:37:25 GMT
Yes
In spirits or a 'force' - probably
Some are
Motto - always try to have an open mind.
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Post by imec on Jul 27, 2009 18:53:51 GMT
Motto - always try to have an open mind. This is very important for 2 reasons. 1. To let everything in and 2. To let a lot of it out |
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Post by traveler63 on Jul 27, 2009 23:22:18 GMT
No
Perhaps
Maybe. I do believe that there are people who are "wired" a little differently. I had a girlhood friend, who would tell me before the phone rang that it would ring and that happened fairly often.
What I do believe there are are: UFO's. I have seen some very "interesting objects" here in the desert. So, I think we are not alone!.
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Post by hwinpp on Jul 28, 2009 2:34:36 GMT
Yes, I think there might be people that are more sensitive to electricity, temperature, chemistry and I believe that is just it.
As for UFOs, I'm a big sceptic.
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Post by spindrift on Jul 28, 2009 12:44:51 GMT
T63 - I'd like to hear your stories about possible sightings in the desert.
I'm positive I saw one when I was in Acapulco. It was far out from land over the ocean. It was the way it disappeared from view that startled me.
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Post by traveler63 on Jul 28, 2009 17:28:29 GMT
Spindrift:
Kirk and I were traveling back home one dark, bright night, no moon. We were in a convertible with the top down and the radio blaring. As you do, with a convertible I starting looking for constellations and bright stars and turned the radio down so that Kirk and I could talk without yelling. The highway we were on is a two lane highway, not a lot of traffic. I noticed a lit somewhat oblong object moving very slow. I pointed it out to Kirk and he slowed the down and I started tracking it. As I intently focused on it, I realized that it was one of six and it appeared to be in a V like formation. So, I asked Kirk to pull over and he did. Now the highway traffic was not heavy as a matter of fact few cars and spaced out so it was pretty quiet. The V formation would slow down, appear to stop, rise and fall and there was absolutely no airplane noise. After about 15 minutes of watching the V all of a sudden went straight up very fast and disappeared, all the time with no noise. see very clearly. So, draw your own conclusions, but to this day I know what I saw and believe that they were not something that came from this country (no there was no alcohol involved). Oh, yes, when we got home a few days later, there was a similar account in the news paper and the official report; weather balloons.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2009 22:14:42 GMT
I've heard similar tales. They all seem to occur in sparsely populated areas,remote,dark. There were reports from Montauk,L.I. frequently in the dead of winter,out in the bayous here in La.,and friends in remote desert areas of New Mexico similar to yours t63.
I don't doubt that people are seeing these unusual,unidentified phenomena but I believe that the government is behind it. Experimenting. Therefore,the "explanation" of "weather balloons".
There is (was) an old abandoned Air Force Base very close to the Montauk sightings. The dead of winter out there is a perfect place to experiment from.
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Post by bixaorellana on Jul 29, 2009 2:57:25 GMT
I don't put ufo sightings in the same category as seeing ghosts. The possibilities of there being someone (some several!) else out there in the universe seem pretty high. I've only ever seen one ufo and saw it at the same time as another person. It was not nearly as precise or dramatic as yours, Traveler, but still seemed unexplainable. All the people I've ever known who've worked on ships or oil rigs say that they've had multiple sightings.
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Post by spindrift on Jul 29, 2009 11:07:58 GMT
T63 - thank you. A fascinating story.
Bixa - there are endless pilot reports of UFO sightings.
As for ghosts....since starting the Winchester photo essay I have found many references to ghostly apparitions in the centre of Winchester and the cathedral precints. In fact there are lively ghosts all around Winchester and outlying areas. There's even a ghostly cat in a pub not far away!
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Post by imec on Jul 29, 2009 14:00:06 GMT
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Post by bixaorellana on Jul 29, 2009 18:52:54 GMT
;D ;D ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2009 19:39:12 GMT
If those had been the genitals, it could have been more interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2009 21:14:46 GMT
If those had been the genitals, it could have been more interesting. For whom?  |
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Post by bixaorellana on Jul 30, 2009 1:37:00 GMT
You don't know that they're not the genitals.
Try not to think about it.
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Post by lola on Jul 30, 2009 1:39:01 GMT
casi: Ha!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2009 12:41:34 GMT
They say that kids are more open minded and so can have more supernatural experiences then adults.
One time, as a child, I had a vision that my dad was killed. It was very real to me, I broke out in a sweat, it was scary, I had not experienced anything this strong before. Anyway, a few hours later, I told him about it, and he basically brushed it aside (he didn't believe in such stuff). The next day, he went to work and very narrowly missed being crushed to death under some very heavy machinery. He told me that the only reason he was alive was because of what I had told him, and the fact that it was still in the back of his mind. It was a split second decision, if he had looked up to examine why someone was yelling at him to jump out the way, he would have been killed.
This is not the only time I have experienced something like this. One time (as an adult this time), I had a vision that someone was in great distress in a small plane and they crashed and died, I could even hear the terrible noise of the crashing plane. The next day, my neighbor came over and told me her stepson had crashed his plane in northern BC, it had fallen into a lake and they were still trying to find him. Sadly, he went down with the plane that day.
I've also seen/experienced other things that are hard (if not impossible) to explain....
The clairvoyant told me that I had some psychic powers, they had been inherited from an ancestor of mine who was a psychic and faith healer, well known in certain parts. I remember family member talking about him often. How the clairvoyant would know about him, I have no idea. He was known to dress in a certain fashion only, and she described this to me to completely. I was amazed.
Even after all that, I still try and find a logical explanation to all of this, but so far haven't managed to do so.
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Post by lola on Jul 30, 2009 16:08:22 GMT
The (or a) devil sat on the end of my bed and chatted once when I was a girl. Not scary or anything. I just hope I didn't strike some sort of a deal with him.
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Post by cigalechanta on Jul 30, 2009 19:06:11 GMT
lola ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2009 19:38:13 GMT
If we are talking about clairvoyance, I was the center of my grandmother's world. I took care of her in her retirement home for 8 years (how ironic that I have the same 'job' again with my mother!). She was obsessed by how 'wonderful' I was, even though I only went to see her every two weeks since she was in the far suburbs of Paris and I had to rent a car to go there.
Anyway, on the night that I was mugged and had my face rearranged at 1 a.m., she got out of bed, got dressed, and was intercepted by the personnel as she tried to go out to the road to go to Paris. "I have to go because my grandson needs me!" Nothing that they told her could convince her to change her mind, and she was ready to walk to Paris (25km) all by herself that night if nobody would help her.
They restrained her and obviously gave her some sort of sedative, but she remained wild with panic.
I found out about all of this when I called her as per the usual schedule (Friday afternoon) and told her that I wouldn't be able to come and visit immediately because I had an accident in my apartment and had broken my nose. "I have to see the doctor on Saturday, so I won't be able to come." She wanted to know more about what had happened to me, but I said it was no big deal and that we would see each other soon.
Until the day she died, I felt guilty about never telling her the truth that her love for me had been stronger than the space that separated us, and that her instinct to want to help me had been completely justified.
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