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Milk
May 9, 2010 16:26:46 GMT
Post by Deleted on May 9, 2010 16:26:46 GMT
Do we have a thread about milk? (as in cows milk).
I love drinking milk, have always done so. I know it has many excellent vitamins and minerals, (learnt about all the various ones back when I did 'O' level cookery).
I keep hearing though it's not a good idea for adults to drink it, would that be because of the fat content? Surely 1% fat milk is fine? What other reason would there be to stop drinking milk just because you grow up?
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Milk
May 9, 2010 17:20:19 GMT
Post by cristina on May 9, 2010 17:20:19 GMT
I have to confess that I don't particularly like milk as a beverage. It doesn't quench my thirst, for one thing. And the taste is not appealing enough to make me want to drink it. However, every now and then I thoroughly enjoy a glass of chocolate milk.
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Milk
May 9, 2010 17:46:27 GMT
Post by Deleted on May 9, 2010 17:46:27 GMT
My youngest boy will only drink milk if it's in the form of chocolate milk. At first I was dead against it, because of the high sugar content. But seeing as they serve it regularly at school and it's one way of him getting some calcium, I've given up and let him drink it the chocolate form.
I guess some adults lose the taste for it as they older? I just never have.
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Milk
May 9, 2010 17:51:37 GMT
Post by Deleted on May 9, 2010 17:51:37 GMT
Milk is something that comes out of female animals to feed baby animals, not adult ones.
That said, what the hell would we do without cheese and butter? So clearly something about milk has evolved.
The taste of milk is a very touchy subject, just like water. Full fat vs. low fat, fresh milk vs. UHT milk -- you can quickly start fights with that.
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May 9, 2010 17:59:33 GMT
Post by Deleted on May 9, 2010 17:59:33 GMT
It's extremely nutritious. Here they have advertisements on T.V. asking us if we are getting enough milk. It's helps against conditions such as Osteoarthritis, and keeps bones strong. Cheese and other milk products can do the same for those who don't like the taste of it. But they are all milk products.
Milk is something that comes out of female animals to feed baby animals, not adult ones.
That said, what the hell would we do without cheese and butter? So clearly something about milk has evolved.
That is something to think about, we've found a way to keep milk in our diets regardless.
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Milk
May 9, 2010 18:09:19 GMT
Post by Deleted on May 9, 2010 18:09:19 GMT
It's extremely nutritious. Here they have advertisements on T.V. asking us if we are getting enough milk. It is unwise to believe what lobby groups say in television commercials. All of the dairy lobbies produce similar commercials.
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Milk
May 9, 2010 20:46:24 GMT
Post by Deleted on May 9, 2010 20:46:24 GMT
I don't take them seriously, but the commercials can be quite funny.
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Milk
May 9, 2010 21:02:06 GMT
Post by spindrift on May 9, 2010 21:02:06 GMT
Well....I know a lot about the biochemistry of cows' milk. I do know that, over a long period of time, it makes 'slime/mucous' in the body. You don't notice this when you're young but as you age you might notice an abundant mucous production which is very unpleasant. I might hunt for some literature I have on this subject. People who suffer from chest complaints (as I do) are ill advised to drink cows' milk. Two years ago I replaced cows' milk with goats' milk. I also buy yogourt and butter made from goats' milk. Goats' milk has a different chemical composition from cows' milk (different enzymes) and mucous is not a problem. Having said that I try not to drink a lot of any milk. It is true that milk contains much calcium however it is not always true that our body cells can metabolically 'take up' and use this calcium. For ideal calcium uptake there must be a 2:1 ratio of calcium to magnesium. Cows' milk does not contain much magnesium. This being the case it is therefore a fact that the calcium in c's milk is not always incorporated into bones and teeth (as we would wish) but, lacking in magnesium, it is placed, instead, on the lining of our arteries - this action being known as atherosclerosis...hardening of the arteries. So beware of drinking lots of cows' milk. your friendly nutritionist
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May 9, 2010 21:13:16 GMT
Post by Deleted on May 9, 2010 21:13:16 GMT
Personally, I still drink milk (often chocolate), and I eat all of the various dairy products. But like Lagatta, my body does not like it, so I normally chew an antacid tablet immediately afterwards. Problem solved.
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Milk
May 9, 2010 21:19:46 GMT
Post by Deleted on May 9, 2010 21:19:46 GMT
Thanks for all that information, Spindrift. You certainly know your stuff!
I don't drink a lot of milk really, maybe one or two cups a day. I like many of the milk products too though - yogurt, ice-cream, cheese etc.
And I know I have really strong bones. But that might be due to all the exercise I do also.
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May 9, 2010 21:36:55 GMT
Post by lagatta on May 9, 2010 21:36:55 GMT
Like spindrift, my dairy products of choice are goats' milk. We get a lovely goats' milk yoghourt now, of the thick Greek kind. But I do sometimes indulge in certain choice cow cheeses, in small quantities (cheese is my favourite food). If I do so, I'll take a Lactaid pill to ensure the lactose is converted into lactase. I very rarely drink milk except the wee bit in cappuccino (never café au lait). I do make crêpes with goats' milk as I've tried them with soya milk and really don't like the flavour combination.
I really have to take pills - yes, I know it is better to get our dietary requirements from food rather than tablets - but I take calcium, magnesium and vitamin d tablets faithfully. Cheese, while wonderful in many ways, is also too high in fat to be a sole calcium source for a computer slave - I'm not a "ploughwoman". My teef are way too soft because the supplements available when I was a child didn't have enough magnesium; that is why I so avoid sugar.
I'd be interested in how other cultures that don't consume much dairy get their calcium - I think there is a lot in seaweed, which many East Asian people consume. South Asian people do consume dairy, but because of the hot climate in most parts of the Subcontinent, usually transformed to a yoghourt or cheese form. I don't think most of the peoples of the Americas consumed much dairy past babyhood (could Andeans be an exception?) Though we do have to remember that most people in ancient civilisations were dead of other causes before degenerative diseases kicked in, although they have been recorded since antiquity.
Odd, spindrift, due to allergy I consumed very little dairy as a child, but I have chest complaints similar to yours (colds that turn ino bronchitis). I have never smoked cigarettes in my life and if I tried a joint or three in hippie days I've never been very keen on that either. Perhaps because my dad smoked himself to death - once again that is also very genetic, as some smokers live to be 95, but my father had the same weakness I do.
Do you really find there is a problem with cows' milk butter? Butter is pretty much only fat and doesn't contain a significant amount of lactose. I don't use much butter (more olive oil) but if I do buy it, I choose a local cultured (fermented) type that has a nice nutty taste. Goats' butter is delicious, but VERY expensive, at least here.
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May 9, 2010 21:56:01 GMT
Post by spindrift on May 9, 2010 21:56:01 GMT
Lagatta - I, also, have inherited weak lungs from my father . I am rather paranoid about the dangers of catching a cold from people around me. I usually wear a scarf I can put over my nose if someone sneezes near me I don't think there is a real problem with cows' milk butter. It's just that I prefer to eat goat products when I can. Why do you take vitamin D tablets? do you not get enough sunshine? or is it just a precaution? I do have access to doing Hair Mineral Analysis tests that show graphs of the mineral content of hair that has grown over the past 3 months. If people don't have sufficient hair that's collectable (one dessertspoon) then nail clippings will do. It is so interesting to see how one's body is coping with the calcium:magnesium balance. No matter how hard I try to ingest magnesium I never have enough in my system. Imagine how bad most peoples' cal:mag balance is when they don't try at all! It seems you have a really good diet. At the moment I am taking a product called AD 206 for adrenal support. It's helping enormously with blood sugar control and my adrenaline:DHEA balance.
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May 9, 2010 22:30:26 GMT
Post by lagatta on May 9, 2010 22:30:26 GMT
Oh, I have plenty of hair!
The vitamin D is in the calcium-magnesium tablets. People here are too covered up in the wintertime so there are often vitamin D deficiencies, although we get considerably more sunshine than you do in the summer months - your days are longer, as you are farther north, but you have more clouds and rain in the summer. I'm often in Amsterdam where the weather systems are very close to southern England's, and miss the summer sun and heat.
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