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Post by cheerypeabrain on Aug 28, 2012 18:46:00 GMT
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Post by onlymark on Aug 28, 2012 19:21:46 GMT
little quibble: Lady Jane Grey was executed by Queen Mary I, not by Elizabeth I. little quibble: Lady Jane Grey was sentenced/ordered to be executed by Queen Mary I. The probable person who wielded the blade was the official executioner after Cratwell and before one called 'Stump leg' (both who were themselves hanged).
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Post by lola on Aug 30, 2012 1:28:52 GMT
This would be a better and happier world if those in charge had to do their own executions.
I'm envisioning the prison manager saying, deferentially, "With all due respect, your Majesty, there's the axe, there's the block, and there -- looking at you with big sad eyes -- is Lady Jane Grey. We'll hold your robe and crown for you. The trick is in the wrist action."
I also respect the kind of king, like dear Louis IX, who when he gets the boneheaded notion to go on a crusade, takes the time and trouble to ride along.
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Post by lugg on Sept 8, 2012 6:40:40 GMT
Really enjoyed reading your latest additions Cheery. I am not a great fan of pork pie either but I am of Stilton. I remember years ago going to pubs in the area that had a whole cheese on the bar for people to help themselves to . I guess that probably does not happen anymore.
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Post by bixaorellana on Sept 8, 2012 16:29:38 GMT
Hmmm. Pork pie or Stilton? Stilton or pork pie? What a decision! ;D
A little nugget about Elizabeth I & executions. Sorry, I'm not going to look up the details, but remember reading that she'd ordered two (I think) people drawn & quartered. Afterward, the execution was described to her. Appalled, she decreed that punishments & executions should henceforth be less cruel and unusual, well, by the standards of that time, anyway.
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Post by bjd on Sept 8, 2012 17:04:42 GMT
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Post by auntieannie on Sept 14, 2012 16:21:44 GMT
there was an article I read yesterday that said they had human bones and that they were very hopeful... DNA analysis will take quite a few weeks, though... I am impatient!
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Post by bixaorellana on Sept 15, 2012 15:29:38 GMT
Well, that's terrible. It's going to play havoc with parking!
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Post by cheerypeabrain on Sept 15, 2012 18:52:24 GMT
Well....because I have a weekend off (first for weeks) I took my camera and went along to the dig site in town...last weekend they had an open day but I was at work so I missed it. The site is in a municipal car park opposite Leicester Cathedral....this is what greeted me.... I poked my camera through the railings anyway. can you read this? Hopefully, once the artefacts are on display I'll go and see if I can take a few more... This is Cheerypeabrain reporting....over and out. ;D
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Post by auntieannie on Sept 15, 2012 19:34:01 GMT
top work there, Cheery! This is SO EXCITING! (or am I the only anorak on site?)
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Post by htmb on Sept 15, 2012 19:38:28 GMT
top work there, Cheery! This is SO EXCITING! (or am I the only anorak on site?) I'm following along, too. I've just discovered this thread and am finding this fascinating.
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Post by cheerypeabrain on Sept 15, 2012 20:00:08 GMT
cheers medears
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Post by auntieannie on Sept 15, 2012 20:32:40 GMT
We count on you to report any smoke signal or any vibration emanating from the ground of the area, Cheery! The whole of APIAS depends on your excellent sharing of information.
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Post by auntieannie on Sept 15, 2012 20:45:15 GMT
(hey, i am pulling your leg ... ;D)
But I really really really really really enjoyed the pics and especially the text - could read it perfectly. Ta muchly!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2012 21:36:34 GMT
Oh, how the builders hate such things (in Paris, too)! They know that you can not scratch the ground in certain places without finding stuff. They used to start really fast and try to destroy any trace of ancient things before the archeologists arrived, so now the archeologists have learned to arrive before anything begins and to camp out as long as necessary.
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Post by htmb on Sept 17, 2012 13:52:51 GMT
Oh Cheery! I had seen recent posts on this thread, but had not realized there were earlier pages. I've just read through starting at the beginning and have found your account fascinating! I loved reading about the Jewry wall, and the mosaics were both beautiful and amazingly old! What a thought to think of the child that made that footprint in the Roman roof tile. The carvings in the Jain Center were also fascinating and so different from other buildings you had photographed. Is it too late to join the group at the vegetarian restaurant and then, perhaps, take a stroll at Bradgate Park?
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Post by cheerypeabrain on Oct 19, 2012 10:47:18 GMT
We could have a party!
I'm glad you liked the pics dearie. X
A friend on another forum showed me the link to this video. It shows a tiny portion of Leicester City, mainly the parts associated with Richard III (if you can stand the music)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2012 12:51:04 GMT
Oh god, you're right about the music.
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Post by lola on Oct 20, 2012 2:33:25 GMT
I say go ahead and declare the male skeleton to be Richard's. Tough luck to have Shakespeare base his most dastardly character on oneself.
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Post by cheerypeabrain on Oct 20, 2012 19:07:16 GMT
Oh god, you're right about the music. sounds like it's taken from Trumpton or Camberwick Green
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Post by lugg on Feb 4, 2013 6:38:27 GMT
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Post by patricklondon on Feb 4, 2013 8:20:39 GMT
There is no truth in the rumour that the event will be sponsored by Millet's - Now is the winter of our discount tent.....
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Post by auntieannie on Feb 4, 2013 19:46:08 GMT
yep! I heard about it and this thread immediately came to my mind. I felt all pleased with the information.
patrick, you made me chuckle!
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Post by lugg on Feb 4, 2013 20:37:24 GMT
;D and a groan @ Patrick Well it seems that it is Richard and he was discovered just in the nick of time ( historically speaking ) as the DNA inheritance line was about to end after 17 generations.
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Post by mossie on Feb 5, 2013 8:03:28 GMT
No doubt Cheery and Lugg you watched the programme on Channel 4 last night. I wish they could use presenters who looked reasonably sane . For its type it was quite a good programme without too much of the normal useless filling in time. The lady who started the search off was quite the drama queen, but I suppose she had some good reason.
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Post by bixaorellana on Feb 5, 2013 19:13:37 GMT
Ha! Just this moment finished reading about the results, then came to anyport & saw this thread. Lugg, your image isn't working, so I hope it's okay to post this one: This image is really striking. I hadn't realized that the skeleton was found so intact: SOURCEThose reconstructions from skulls usually look pretty bland, since there is no way to know how personality, sun exposure, pain, stress, etc. affected the person. However it seems that Richard may have actually looked a great deal like the portrait from the BBC link in #140:
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Post by cheerypeabrain on Feb 7, 2013 9:38:31 GMT
Greetings...
I've got a day off today so I'm going to see if I can get into the exhibition at the Guildhall. To say that Leicester is chuffed about this is an understatement. We're quite proud of the university...Richard III and his last days are deep in the culture here..we have numerous legends about him, there's a King Richard's Road, a King Richard's Hill....a King Richard III Primary School....there's a huge memorial stone in the nave of the cathedral and plaques, statues etc amongst other things all over the city and surrounding villages...especially Bosworth....
There is a fair amount a bickering about where his bones should finally rest...if York gets him there's be another War of the Roses! Shakespeare has a lot to answer for....I think Leicester should win tho...
as Crispin Black said in The Week
In identifying the lost remains of Richard III, scientists at Leicester University have achieved an astonishing piece of detective work through DNA profiling – all the more gratifying for them as the technique was invented at the university in 1984 by the geneticist Sir Alec Jeffreys.
Under the terms of the exhumation licence granted by the Ministry of Justice to the university they are responsible for the reburial – in Leicester Cathedral a few hundred yards away. As Richard's body would have received Christian burial by the monks of Greyfriars Church at the time (you can't be buried twice under canon law) his re-interment will be marked by a ceremony of remembrance. The church authorities in Leicester are envisaging something on a major scale as befits a king – there is already a memorial to him in the nave.
Richard III was the last Plantagenet king and the last English king to be killed in battle. Despite Shakespeare's slurs there is little doubt that he was a physically courageous man. The wounds on his skeleton clearly demonstrate that he fought to the bitter end at Bosworth.
He deserves to be commemorated with all the respect we normally give to a dead sovereign – lying in state and full military honours with the coffin carried by the Grenadier Guards as is customary. An anointed king is, after all, an anointed king.
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Post by cheerypeabrain on Feb 7, 2013 9:42:46 GMT
the only other suitable place for the king to be interred would by Westminster I suppose...but not alongside all those horrid Tudors (who not only killed him but were largely responsible for all the nasty rumours about him!)
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Post by bjd on Feb 7, 2013 10:22:29 GMT
Last night I started re-reading Josephine Tey's The Daughter of Time. Even more interesting now that I can easily put a face to the portrait described in the book.
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Post by mossie on Feb 7, 2013 14:29:35 GMT
I find it rather sad that the academics are about to wage a three way civil war over the poor lad. There is the Leicester faction, who to my mind have prior claim, there is a strong Yorkist element, and the Westminster Abbey mob weighing in. Let us hope it remains handbags at dawn and doesn't degenerate into halberds and daggers ;D ;D
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