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Post by bixaorellana on Mar 4, 2009 20:17:21 GMT
I am reading a rather cheesy (but enjoyable) historical novel. There is an incident where an out-of-the-ordinary but still natural phenomenon is interpreted as an omen. Reading along, I automatically rejected this as a silly plot device.
Then I started thinking. I completely accept that humans have "psychic" ability. Science doesn't debunk it. Rather, it seeks ways of identifying and measuring it. It's common enough that it can't be discounted, and surely there is a scientific explanation.
But do omens really exist? All of them I've ever heard of from real people "feel" true, just as warning dreams do. But we always hear of these things after the fact, when there's been time to edit the story for maximum impact. Still, I don't want to be close-minded.
Do you all believe in omens? Any personal experience?
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Post by rikita on Mar 4, 2009 21:15:20 GMT
no, not really... never thought much about it, but no, i don't think i do.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2009 21:28:21 GMT
I have had experiences.
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Post by auntieannie on Mar 4, 2009 21:38:29 GMT
I don't know if omen is the word, but I think if one lives listening to oneself, one can feel what will happen. not always, though!
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Post by BigIain on Mar 4, 2009 22:29:51 GMT
Yes, I do think that omens are out there. Sometimes you can anticipate what several individual factors are capable of adding up to.
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Post by gyro on Mar 5, 2009 6:16:29 GMT
I had a feeling you were going to say that. It Is Written.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2009 6:21:38 GMT
I had a dream about it last night myself.
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Post by bixaorellana on Mar 5, 2009 6:26:34 GMT
So, nobody is going to offer a personal anecdote of something that could have been an omen?
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Post by gyro on Mar 5, 2009 6:39:27 GMT
I have a couple, but they're too personal, so, erm, no.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2009 7:49:44 GMT
I can always tell the story about my grandmother again, but it's just a leftover since I've told it before.
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Post by spindrift on Mar 5, 2009 9:46:33 GMT
I haven't experienced an omen but I have experienced many 'happenings'.
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Post by Kimby on Mar 5, 2009 19:45:47 GMT
All of the omens and portents that I have had fortunately turned out to be false.
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Post by gyro on Mar 5, 2009 19:51:37 GMT
I really enjoyed The Omen. especially the bit where his head got lopped off with a sheet of glass.
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Post by bixaorellana on Mar 5, 2009 21:54:00 GMT
Another thing ~~ wouldn't you all say that an omen is some kind of advisory that something will happen? What about those other phenomena, the ones where something in the natural world, a bird or whatever, seems to be putting itself in your way in order to "tell" you something.
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Post by gyro on Mar 6, 2009 5:48:50 GMT
That means you're Snow White.
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Post by bixaorellana on Mar 6, 2009 6:05:25 GMT
 Took me a minute, but I got it! Now whenever I think of Snow White, I think of that scene in "Enchanted", with the princess singing to the cockroaches.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2009 6:17:48 GMT
Have you ever seen the singing cockroaches in Joe's Apartment?
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Post by hwinpp on Mar 19, 2009 7:35:13 GMT
I've never experienced anything.
Something happened last week that's close to a miracle but there was no omen or warning.
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Post by bixaorellana on Mar 19, 2009 8:01:10 GMT
Are you going to tell us what it is?
You all are a coy bunch!
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Post by BigIain on Mar 19, 2009 8:02:17 GMT
Love the roaches singing. Bixa, I posted about some stunningly profound experiences and dreams around a month ago, so did a couple of others.
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Post by bixaorellana on Mar 19, 2009 8:14:08 GMT
 You did? How could I not have seen that?!
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Post by BigIain on Mar 19, 2009 8:32:14 GMT
it may not have been on here?
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Post by spindrift on Mar 19, 2009 8:41:49 GMT
There were signs and portents shown to Julius Caesar before his assassination. There was the owl that screeched at midday (heard by his wife Pompeia) and there was the beggar in the crowd who called out 'Beware the Ides of March'....
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Post by hwinpp on Mar 19, 2009 9:32:59 GMT
Wasn't the latter a soothsayer? I really can't think of anything that's happened to me... though there are some people close to me who I trust completely that have had some scary experiences, so they claim.
1. Best friend from army days to post uni, did the glass pushing thing with a group of friends and the glass answered everything correctly. He never did it again.
2. My fav cousin, educated in America, saw a vampire waiting in a queue at an ATM in Mid- Valley Mega Mall in Kuala Lumpur but thought nothing of it.
3. A Khmer friend of mine who like sleeping under the mango tree in his garden often saw a ghost peering down at him, didn't think much of it either.
How serious can I take this? I believe they think they saw it... it'll never happen to me though.
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Post by gyro on Mar 19, 2009 10:19:18 GMT
Wasn't the Ides Of March thing down to Shakespeare and not real life ?
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Post by tillystar on Mar 19, 2009 10:29:52 GMT
I haven't had any experiences of omens, but I do believe that sometimes people just get "that feeling" and have had ghostly experiences.
Yes, I think the Ides of March was Shakey, he loved an omen innit?
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Post by gyro on Mar 19, 2009 10:55:05 GMT
Yeah, but I hear he wasn't a fan of Sam Neil in the third one ...
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Post by rikita on Mar 19, 2009 13:25:11 GMT
i read some article once about how the glas pushing thing works and why you get correct answers... no idea if the article was correct though, of course...
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Post by BigIain on Mar 19, 2009 19:16:42 GMT
Shakespeare did like his omens. Macbeth hears things as he is tiptoing up the stairs to kill the king. I forget what exactly but maybe someone shouting out?
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Post by gyro on Mar 19, 2009 19:24:48 GMT
Yeah, probably some pissed up Scottish tramp asking for change ....
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