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Post by gyro on Mar 7, 2009 23:02:18 GMT
I posted something on a thread yesterday, but can't remember the branch and thread name, how do I find out ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2009 23:06:20 GMT
G.,go to your Profile at the top of this page,scroll down and there's a section that will give you your most recent posts,maybe that will ring a bell.
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Post by gyro on Mar 7, 2009 23:07:50 GMT
Aaah, I have a feeling you've told me this before ..
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Post by gyro on Mar 7, 2009 23:12:56 GMT
Cheers, Cas; that worked. I've now posted a completely vacuous reply in an otherwise unremarkable thread ....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2009 23:19:15 GMT
How can you tell the difference from your other posts?  |
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Post by gyro on Mar 7, 2009 23:33:25 GMT
I have a strict system:
First post is twat
Second one is to55er
Third one is cunt
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I don't have any more fingers left .....
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Post by bixaorellana on Mar 8, 2009 0:14:58 GMT
I have to say something here, & if I get made fun of, so be it.
This forum is made up of posters from all over. Having been on several forums with large populations of Brits, I do realize that they fling the "c" word around pretty blithely.
I don't know how other English-speakers regard that word, but it is always shocking and hostile-sounding to people from the US.
So, I'm not criticizing those of you who are in the habit of using it casually, but I'm asking you all to have regard for the feelings of those who are offended by it and to please stop using it.
Thanks.
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Post by gyro on Mar 8, 2009 0:19:13 GMT
Why don't you have it altered, or to phrase it another way, censored then ?
Or, to put it another way, not JUST Brits and Americans ...
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Post by bixaorellana on Mar 8, 2009 0:36:25 GMT
Why don't you have it altered, or to phrase it another way, censored then ? Because we're big kids here and capable of staying within the bounds of civility simply because we want to. Uh ...... yeah. ? I referred to how Brits use the word because I'm more familiar with them in general than with people from other English-speaking countries. And I spoke from my point of view as an American because I am one. |
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Post by gyro on Mar 8, 2009 0:40:22 GMT
Then don't preface YOUR opinion/argument with the 'This forum is made up of posters from all over' bit, as if it's going against the grain when it's really just an afront to your personal preferences.
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Post by bixaorellana on Mar 8, 2009 0:46:57 GMT
There is more than one Canadian & more than one person from the US on the forum. I think I am pretty safe in saying most of them find the word unacceptable.
I wish you wouldn't make this personal. I am saying, with good reason, that the use of that word really offends some people. I did not say that you or anyone else is evil incarnate for using it. I'm simply letting you know how it affects a rather large group, which I would think would make you want to avoid its use, now that you know.
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Post by gyro on Mar 8, 2009 0:53:56 GMT
I'm not making anything personal, aside from giving you my personal opinion. Which is exactly what you have just done in the last few posts.
In terms of other peoples choices, this 'rather large group' is thus far only being voiced by yourself. Which, to me, is presumptive, negative and ever so slightly conceited if you are claiming to represent anybody other than yourself, which you seem to be.
We are, after all, talking about a collection of letters, and I'd go further than saying we're big kids and proclaim that we're predominately adults, who, I would hope, can handle elements of the adult world. One mans rubbish is another mans dinner, after all.
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Post by bixaorellana on Mar 8, 2009 1:01:01 GMT
Yes, I AM representing people other than myself. Just as you could pronounce accurately on certain ways of speaking & thinking within the UK public, I can make the same kind of statements about Americans & Canadians because of extensive personal experience.
And, really, you are saying that you have a right to say whatever you wish, but no one else has a right to not want to hear it.
And that bit about "elements of the adult world" is what's always trotted out when people wish to childishly do whatever they wish without regard for others.
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Post by gyro on Mar 8, 2009 1:11:52 GMT
Excellent. Along with all the other floating, open to change, rules, do you wish for a list of unacceptable words or terms to be published then, or should one post be sufficient to stop anybody in their 'childish' tracks ?
Providing of course, it is the right poster, obv.
I could pronounce on certain ways of speaking and thinking in the UK, but I wouldn't ever seriously make a judgement in which I assumed I was right. And that last sentence is just the refuge of the aggrieved, in all honesty. It doesn't pan out, seeing as how everything is objective.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2009 1:55:00 GMT
In an effort to not get embroiled in a back and forth I,you,they,we...,
BEFORE I read the most recent "discussion" I have to say that I took offense at the use of the "C" word on this forum and will continue to no matter what context it was meant . I don't know anything about the culture,vernacular,slang whatever of other countries. I simply ask that we respect each other no matter where we're from. Thank you.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2009 6:20:25 GMT
Both sides have a point in this discussion. On one hand, I would be very annoyed if everyone were obliged to constantly practice self censorship on the chance that the most delicate members of the forum might find certain words offensive.
On the other hand, excessive use of certain vulgarisms does not reflect well on either the person using them or on the forum in general. It indicates a limited vocabulary and would appear to lower the general level of the site to any casual visitor.
It should also be noted, however, that words like cunt and fuck rarely offend people whose first language is not English. In fact, foreign speakers in 'real life' are often the worst offenders when their English is good enough to include all vocabulary words, because the words do not carry the sting or the stigma to them that native speakers feel.
Meanwhile, I am not sure at what point in time American culture adopted its extreme rules of 'proper' vocabulary -- perhaps it goes all the way back to the Puritans. It is the subject of much mirth around the world, where people have totally different standards. In France, for example, cunt ('con') is perhaps the most common swear word and is used by the entire population starting at about age 10. You can hear it on normal television programs dozens of times a day. In modern times, the word has become as mild as the word 'jerk'.
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Post by BigIain on Mar 8, 2009 7:16:28 GMT
Just for the record, I dislike the "C" word too. There is never any excuse for using it. It is not in any way accepted as being OK in general use in the UK as may have been suggested here.
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Post by bixaorellana on Mar 8, 2009 7:22:19 GMT
Thanks, Iain. My mistake. I've just seen it used so much by people on forums I thought it had become practically acceptable. Apologies for that.
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Post by gyro on Mar 8, 2009 8:51:38 GMT
That's just bollocks.
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Post by rikita on Mar 8, 2009 10:58:49 GMT
i must admit i like the c-word (not writing it now, though i'd like to) - but that has to do of course with me not being a native speaker of english and how i got to know it, which was in a mainly in a sexual context - i strongly dislike the german equivalent, however...
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Post by Jazz on Mar 8, 2009 13:58:14 GMT
I read international forums and accept almost any vocabulary. I wouldn't like to see too much (if any) censorship, only self censorship, or self-discipline. Cultures vary in infinite ways, especially in the use of and reaction to certain words. That is a fact.
'Cunt' is a powerful word in Canada and certainly the most derogatory word to use to describe a woman. I can't think of a more powerful derogatory word. Let me assure you, it is not synonomous with 'jerk'. And, I certainly don't move in 'delicate' circles, whether in my personal life or in the film business.
Each poster has a unique writing style and a few use the word very casually. Some of these, such as Gyro, are my favorite posters, but this is because they will often take the time to move beyond this expression and have interesting things to say. Another, (I have skimmed hundreds of his posts), I am convinced he only has a vocabulary of 47 words, maximum. I simply scroll on past his posts.
Language is a very rich tool. To read 'cunt' I confess, always startles me because of the way I culturally understand it. Essentially, its overuse is tedious. And, because this is an international forum, it may offend some readers. I would not censor the word.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2009 16:50:27 GMT
I totally agree with what Jazz so eloquently phrased. Part of the enjoyment and enrichment of this forum IS learning different cultural ways,be it words or whatever.
And this is the Free Trade Zone
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Post by Kimby on Mar 8, 2009 20:33:58 GMT
Another USAnian checking in to say that the Cword is not part of everyday vocab in my neck of the woods. (George Carlin included it in his "Seven Words You Can't Say on Television" routine which got him arrested in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, when he performed it there.)
In fact, the whole state of Montana has recently undergone map revisions to remove all traces of the word "Squaw" which refers to the same part of the female anatomy and was misused to indicate any Native American woman. This word has been a thorn in the side of the Indians for generations, and they finally got their point across. The powers-that-be have taken action to remove the offensive word from place names on the map. Many people haven't caught on that it's an offensive word, yet, and it will likely take generations more before people will stop using it in conversation, however...
Cheap-shot crude words like the Cword don't really belong on public forums, IMO. You're talking to strangers here, and visitors, and acquaintances. Name-calling is childish, and shows a lack of verbal creativity, too.
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Post by rikita on Mar 8, 2009 20:44:07 GMT
interesting about squaw - i didn't know that... it is used in german too (though admittedly not a very common word - just something you sometimes hear in movies or read in books) and i always assumed it means woman...
as for other words - i think that the use of words changes though, and words aren't bad by themselves, they are made bad by the connotation they are given. anyway, so while i strongly dislike the word "votze" (german equivalent of cunt), if it became a common word with a more positive connotation it might end up sounding normal to me...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2009 21:00:49 GMT
As I mentioned earlier, in France the word 'con' ('cunt') is extremely common since it has become watered down to just mean 'jerk' or 'asshole.' However, there is a certain amount of discomfort in using it, as it gives a negative connotation to part of the female anatomy. English is more egalitarian, since it also uses 'dickhead' and other such words to level the playing field. It might be of interest to take a look at the wiki concerning this word, which mentions, among other things, its use in the Canterbury Tales or in a slightly disguised form by Shakespeare. It is always really odd when two 'identical' words take different paths -- it is perfectly acceptable and never derogatory to say the word 'vagina' and yet its twin has taken a bad path. It's all in the mind of the beholder. |
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Post by gyro on Mar 8, 2009 21:06:08 GMT
K, I don't entirely understand your 'egalitarian' comment on English. Do you mean that in French, there are no other swear words that come from a - for want of a better word - sexual origin, whereas in english we have a number of such expressions derived from the same sort of source, and that's what levels the playing field somewhat ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2009 21:10:39 GMT
I was saying that the male part is not disparaged in French the way the vagina is.
Of course there are a few unpleasant terms for stupid dicks, but not as many as those referring to the vagina.
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Post by gyro on Mar 8, 2009 21:12:06 GMT
Right, gotcha. So, you're more like the Romans then, in terms of cock ?
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