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Post by whatagain on Mar 18, 2016 22:14:53 GMT
Le Soir says 'light wound'. La gare du midi has always been where I embarked to go to Paris - and certainly always since Thalys service exists - it never stops at Gare du Nord (Belgium).
Now the big question is : what will Trump says ? We live in a hell hole in Brussels, under Sharia law. Yet we find and arrest terrorits.. Strange ....
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Post by lagatta on Mar 19, 2016 1:40:37 GMT
So do other media sources. Good. We don't want the sh*thead letting himself die - he is far more important alive than dead.
Sharia? I'd say more Omertà. That "law of silence" exists in many traditional Mediterranean societies, whatever the dominant religion. It is indeed galling that this little sh*t could hide in plain sight in his own neighbourhood.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2016 4:01:19 GMT
He was wounded in the knee. No big deal.
That's because you are very young. I am talking about pre-Thalys days. It is also the reason that the older generation of big hotels (Sheraton, Siru, Crowne Plaza...) is located there.
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Post by bjd on Mar 19, 2016 6:14:02 GMT
He wasn't the "principal suspect" -- he was the one who got away rather than blowing himself up. I guess the news will be full of this for a few days and then we'll go on to something else.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2016 6:32:38 GMT
Well, he became the principal suspect when all of the others were killed. Otherwise he would never have become the #1 wanted person in Europe for the past 4 months.
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Post by lagatta on Mar 19, 2016 14:36:59 GMT
It's too bad they had to kill the logistics guy in Mollenbeek (or did he kill himself; either is possible); it seems that he would have known a lot more.
I get the impression that this younger brother wasn't all that enthusiastic about their glorious mission, but we'll have to wait to find out more.
Not to play down the horror of what this gang of thugs were involved in, but is there any way these singularly "bad Muslim" bros could be used as some kind of laughing stock to make jihadism uncool among susceptible young people?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2016 18:11:16 GMT
It seems like Salah Abdeslam is turning into a real chatterbox and giving the police all sorts of information.
The real mystery is how he got into all this in the first place since he was a major partygoer and ran that drug bar with his brother. Some reports are even saying that he was very active in the swingers clubs of Brussels as well as the gay bars.
One thing that he appears to have understood is that, since right from the first day it became apparent that he doesn't want to die, he will be much safer in prison than he ever would have been out on the street. Daech has particularly horrible deaths planned for anybody who accepted to be a martyr but has changed his/her mind. All of his safe houses were provided by friends or friends of friends who were not at all involved with the extremists.
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Post by lagatta on Mar 19, 2016 18:48:44 GMT
Even after the attack, he smoked dope and drank ALCOHOL in a café along with a friend. It was unclear whether he was bi or just dealing at the gay bars, but whatever, he sure as hell wasn't pious.
I'm just hoping (hate to say "praying") that this story will raise some doubts among those young people of various Muslim backgrounds who are intent on jihad and martyrdom.
I really hate those death cults, whatever the religion.
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Post by htmb on Mar 19, 2016 19:04:16 GMT
I agree with you, Lagatta.
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Post by mich64 on Mar 19, 2016 22:37:50 GMT
I wonder if the people, friends and possibly family, that were helping him are now in danger from the extremists? If they want revenge against him for talking, they might try to harm his family.
I hope Lagatta is correct that this will raise doubts in those on the brink of making really bad decisions.
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Post by lagatta on Mar 19, 2016 23:56:39 GMT
mich, I was just hoping... We've had a few from here in Montréal, including minors.
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Post by mich64 on Mar 20, 2016 12:29:47 GMT
Yes, I have read about that Lagatta. It is very disturbing to think of our young people being manipulated to the extent of committing violence or even aiding terrorist groups.
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Post by questa on Mar 20, 2016 13:06:08 GMT
I seem to remember that during the Irish Troubles in the 70s there were stories of young men and boys who didn't belong to any side of the fighting. These were simply thuggish sociopaths who would shoot or bomb innocent people of any faith, just for the buzz it gave them. The usual reasons were given as unemployment, poverty and frustration at not getting what they felt was owed to them by society.
I wonder if the same situation is simmering here...hide behind a cloak of religious fervour while being murderers "because they can" with like-minded gangs.
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Post by htmb on Mar 20, 2016 13:20:10 GMT
I think that's been the case throughout time, no matter what the war, though history has often listed those types as "noble, honorable defenders of the cause."
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Post by lagatta on Mar 20, 2016 14:09:41 GMT
Some of those Irishmen (from either side) have simply reverted to being thugs and neighbourhood enforcers, a kind of mafia.
The Abdelslam bros seemed more suited for a street gang than a fervent religious movement, in any case. I wonder if the pub is still closed? As for war heroes, there was a fêted Second World War hero from my mother's small town who turned out to be a guy who just enjoyed killing - he'd kill random animals (wild and domestic, and killing someone's horse or cow was a very serious matter - and at least attempted to kill human civilians. Not all the so-called "beasts" were Nazis.
Let's hope that the Belgians and French stop bickering about what to do with the surviving brother. This is interesting in terms of criminal law - he has obviously violated laws in both countries, but the charges in France are much more serious. I'm not clear about whether he would be charged with murder in France or as an accomplice to murder? He also hired the vehicle carrying the other jihadists in Brussels.
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Post by bjd on Mar 20, 2016 16:11:13 GMT
Are they bickering? I think the French are expecting that Brussels will extradite him to France. In order to make sure of this, they issued a European arrest warrant for him too, besides the extradition request.
I heard on the radio that Abdelslam doesn't want to be extradited, and that his lawyer plans to sue the French prosecutor for saying that Abdelslam had initially planned to blow himself up. Allegedly, that is private information.
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Post by lagatta on Mar 20, 2016 17:34:50 GMT
Yes, so far it is Abdelslam's lawyer. I imagine that Belgium and France will agree to the extradition, as the charges in France are more serious (though it seems to me that hiring a vehicle with the intent to commit murder is rather serious itself).
I doubt that the revelation could possibly abort the trial. I sort of like the idea of a "wait a minute, that was a REALLY stupid idea" moment coming out, though.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2016 18:01:48 GMT
I don't think there is any friction between Belgium and France at the moment, but both countries are obliged to follow normal procedures even if it is an exceptional situation. Abdeslam, as a French citizen, will be returned to France even though he was born in Brussels. Belgium does not have automatic jus soli and a child can only become Belgian if the parents request it before age 12 and have been living in Belgium for at least 10 years. And from what I understand, Salah Abdeslam is not even a Moroccan citizen, because both of his parents were naturalised French before his birth.
This is particularly ironic in view of the current French controversy about stripping "bi-nationals" of their French citizenship if involved in terrorist events as per a proposed new law. (The current modern rule -- even though it isn't a real rule -- is that you can strip someone of their nationality only if they have another one, because it is forbidden to create stateless persons.) The whole idea of this law arose due to the recent attacks and could not even be applied to Abdeslam if he were convicted.
In any case, the anarchy of the modern world has proved that it is very difficult to apply the rules of the past.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2016 19:14:46 GMT
Yup, the new Canadian law about stripping bi-nationals of their citizenship (Bill C-24) is still on the books despite the recent change in government. We are still battling that one. I could have my Canadian citizenship stripped from me because I am theoretically eligible for American citizenship through marriage (which I will never, ever do, of course). The excuse for creating this rule was terrorism, but of course it can be abused terribly. bccla.org/2015/06/its-official-second-class-citizenship-goes-into-effect/
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Post by lagatta on Mar 20, 2016 19:27:32 GMT
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Post by htmb on Mar 24, 2016 22:12:57 GMT
France24 is reporting: French Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve on Thursday said police had foiled a terror plot that was in its “advanced stages” after an arrest and search in the Parisian suburb of Argenteuil.
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Post by whatagain on Mar 24, 2016 22:36:23 GMT
Hallal the pizzas ?
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Post by lagatta on Mar 25, 2016 1:44:04 GMT
There are halal pizza places around here, and certainly in Mollenbeek. Though there was also the Abdeslam bros pub and drug bazaar.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2016 5:51:09 GMT
Except for the continued "state of emergency" which is about to be extended once again until after the European football championship, it can now be said that life is completely back to normal in Paris. All of the places that were attacked have now reopened except for the Bataclan, which will reopen in November. At the moment, Pete Doherty has the first scheduled date on November 16, followed by Youssou N'Dour on the 18th. However, it is nearly certain that there will be some sort of event planned for the anniversary of the attack, 13 November. A la Bonne Bière The Petit Cambodge and the Carillon Le Petit Cambodge is particularly jam packed in the evening.
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Post by bixaorellana on Apr 20, 2016 6:15:03 GMT
Nice to see life going on.
Do you suppose that the Bataclan chose November deliberately for its reopening, or that is simply how long it will take to renovate it?
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Post by htmb on Apr 20, 2016 10:12:31 GMT
I'll never forget the date. It was my sister's birthday.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2016 20:25:18 GMT
As of today and until August 11, the city of Paris has begun to clean up the monument at Place de la République. All of the candles, bouquets, flags and posters are being removed to restore the statue to its original condition. As had already been done for many items at République and at the other sites, all of the items considered significant are being digitalised by the city so that they can be consulted online in the future. The Musée Carnavalet, which is the museum of the history of Paris, is due to be closed soon until 2020 for a total renovation costing about 50 million euros and will have a special section devoted to the terrorist attacks when it reopens. It will display many of the homages that took place.
We can only hope that there will not be new events to add by then.
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Post by lagatta on Aug 1, 2016 21:38:50 GMT
I guess Carnavalet needs a reno, but that is one place I almost always go when in Paris.
Not in Paris, but the killing of the elderly priest near Rouen seems to have had a heightened impact, in particular among Frenchpeople of Muslim religion or cultural background.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2016 21:23:47 GMT
The second day of cleaning already made a considerable difference on the base. Today, the entire bottom ring was mostly clean. Now they have to work their way up.
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Post by questa on Aug 5, 2016 0:03:16 GMT
That third pic is a marvellous shot for the "people at work" thread.
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