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Dec 30, 2023 21:28:35 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Dec 30, 2023 21:28:35 GMT
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Feb 11, 2024 16:15:41 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Feb 11, 2024 16:15:41 GMT
I was surprised to see that British farmers are protesting just like EU farmers. Who would have thought that that was possible with all of their wonderful new free trade opportunities?
I learned the new term BREGRET just last week, but I imagine that it is becoming more common across the Channel.
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Feb 11, 2024 16:41:42 GMT
Post by cheerypeabrain on Feb 11, 2024 16:41:42 GMT
On 'Question Time' (a weekly political debate/discussion programme, with guests from the world of politics, the media and the occasional 'celebrity') the conservative representative was crowing about the fact that Keir Starmer has 'made a U-turn on Labour's pledge to invest £28billion a year on green investment. Now the figure is reduced to £5billion. The guest celebrity..a comedian and tv presenter, mentioned the £360 million per week that the 'Leave' campaign (led by Boris and Farage) said would be saved by the UK leaving Europe! The Brexiteers said that this would be spent on the NHS.... THAT got a round of applause...
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Feb 11, 2024 17:52:22 GMT
Post by onlyMark on Feb 11, 2024 17:52:22 GMT
You've done well holding your tongue K2. It's been ten days since you last mentioned Brexit.
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Feb 11, 2024 17:57:27 GMT
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Post by whatagain on Feb 11, 2024 17:57:27 GMT
He is doing well. Like we care now. All UK has to do is to give those farmers a part of the gigantic savings brexiters promised they would do and that they indeed diid together with a booming industry.
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Feb 11, 2024 20:45:05 GMT
Post by onlyMark on Feb 11, 2024 20:45:05 GMT
I'm sure K2 can make his point by himself. He does seem to care. Evidenced by how often he brings the subject up in different threads. And yes, the situation does appear dire if we have to copy what the Fench have been doing at the drop of a hat for decades. Soon our truck drivers will be blockading the ports. Setting fire to stuff. I never realised how bad it must be in France if they've had to resort to those tactics so many times over so many years. We must have been spoiled. Not so now though, we need to stoop to their level.
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Feb 11, 2024 21:49:38 GMT
Post by cheerypeabrain on Feb 11, 2024 21:49:38 GMT
We've had problems getting hold of prescription drugs for a while, apparently nothing to do with Brexit.
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Feb 11, 2024 21:55:35 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Feb 11, 2024 21:55:35 GMT
I find Brexit as worthy of regular comment as the media do. I do understand how losers want such things to be swept under the carpet.
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Feb 11, 2024 22:04:52 GMT
Post by cheerypeabrain on Feb 11, 2024 22:04:52 GMT
I find Brexit as worthy of regular comment as the media do. I do understand how losers want such things to be swept under the carpet. You carry on meduck.
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Feb 12, 2024 10:13:22 GMT
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Post by mickthecactus on Feb 12, 2024 10:13:22 GMT
I find Brexit as worthy of regular comment as the media do. I do understand how losers want such things to be swept under the carpet. Instead of worrying about Brexit perhaps you might encourage your respective countries to make their payments to NATO so we might all survive for a bit longer.
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Feb 12, 2024 11:17:03 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Feb 12, 2024 11:17:03 GMT
But that would be off topic. However, you are free to start a NATO topic if you would like, although it would behoove you to check the NATO website first before making any unfounded (unfunded?) claims.
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Feb 12, 2024 11:46:38 GMT
Post by mickthecactus on Feb 12, 2024 11:46:38 GMT
Nope, got no wish to start a new topic but you and your Belgian mate are quite free to do so should you wish to refute it.
The figures came from The World Population Review whose source was shown as "Information on Defence Expenditures - NATO" despite your suggestion that it was a wild guess.
Incidentally, for 2023 France was 1.9% of GDP and Belgium a pitiful 1.13%, next to last.
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Feb 12, 2024 12:17:37 GMT
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Post by whatagain on Feb 12, 2024 12:17:37 GMT
I find Brexit as worthy of regular comment as the media do. I do understand how losers want such things to be swept under the carpet. Instead of worrying about Brexit perhaps you might encourage your respective countries to make their payments to NATO so we might all survive for a bit longer. So you approve both politics of Bojo and Trump. Interesting.
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Feb 12, 2024 12:22:52 GMT
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Post by whatagain on Feb 12, 2024 12:22:52 GMT
.
Incidentally, for 2023 France was 1.9% of GDP and Belgium a pitiful 1.13%, next to last.[/quote]
I suggest you forget about the basterds living in Belgium since we must all be as bad as I am !
Jeez Mick you really think we all hate UK do you ? and it gives you an excuse to hate us ! Grow up man.
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Feb 12, 2024 13:15:33 GMT
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Post by mickthecactus on Feb 12, 2024 13:15:33 GMT
I’ve no intention of responding to your silly comments. I’ll leave that others should they wish to.
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Feb 12, 2024 13:20:27 GMT
Post by onlyMark on Feb 12, 2024 13:20:27 GMT
"So you approve both politics of Bojo and Trump." - exactly fits the definition of a specious comment - "superficially plausible, but actually wrong." The worst part is you don't really believe what you said, it's just for effect. Enough of the childish wind ups, stick to some facts for a change. "I suggest you forget about the basterds living in Belgium since we must all be as bad as I am !" - nope. Met some nice Belgians over the years. You get bad ones in every nationality. You're not special. "Jeez Mick you really think we all hate UK do you ? and it gives you an excuse to hate us ! Grow up man." - so the point of your previous comments is.....? I'm sure others may believe that the statistics of GDP growth are not an indicator of how well a country is doing compared to another. I think it helps. Especially for those who take the individual country figures in isolation and after a major event like Brexit, but then fail to compare them with what may have been happening at the same time in the rest of Europe anyway. Saying there was a depression in the UK could have been accurate but gives the impression it only happened in the UK and thus must have been a result of Brexit. This is the "correlation does not imply causation" effect. If you compare annual % GDP growth in the UK and France and the UK and Belgium between 2010 and 2022, you get the following graphs. The source is the World Bank. Not a lot in it really. If anything the UK has been doing just a bit better than both. The depression around 2020 was worse for the UK though, but like the others, it soon bounced back.
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Feb 12, 2024 15:16:31 GMT
Post by cheerypeabrain on Feb 12, 2024 15:16:31 GMT
Brexit has been bad for the uk imho. The free market, joint scientific ventures, education standards and human rights as well as free movement within the union were all good things. It might have been better if we had adopted the Euro and immersed ourselves more into europe. We didn't need to leave. Every time our politicians asked for concessions we got them. Surely it was better to unite with our actual neighbours rather than seek deals further afield.
Weve ended up looking like idiots greedy, rude idiots.
Anyway..there's a rumour that new tax laws being introduced by the EU would have inconvenienced the rich...so the bastard tories panicked. This may just be a rumour...but...
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Feb 12, 2024 15:38:36 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Feb 12, 2024 15:38:36 GMT
It's funny how important it is for Brexiters to split EU countries individually for their statistical needs. The EU exists because all of the members want to pool their resources and economies to benefit from each other's strengths and to attenuate weaknesses. If the UK wants to be a loner, it has to face the fact that it weighs very little all by itself.
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Feb 12, 2024 18:49:45 GMT
Post by onlyMark on Feb 12, 2024 18:49:45 GMT
GDP annual growth (in percentage) of the UK compared to the EU as a whole then. So it shows how inaccurate that accusation is. In effect I chose two of the better performers individually. The performance of the EU as a whole is worse. Of course the UK weighs little by itself. But what happens when the organisation it is tied to is dragged down by it's own poor performers? Note the UK percentage before and after Brexit compared to the whole EU -
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Feb 12, 2024 19:05:07 GMT
Post by onlyMark on Feb 12, 2024 19:05:07 GMT
Brexit has been bad for the uk imho. On the whole I agree. It certainly has. Whether the idea was good or bad is an argument in itself. Beyond dispute is how badly and stupidly it was executed. But then it was no surprise considering the standard of the politicians handling it. We used to have some good politicians, whether you agreed with their policies or not you could still respect them, but nowadays they are as much use as an inflatable dart board.
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Feb 12, 2024 19:21:50 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Feb 12, 2024 19:21:50 GMT
If the UK is against unity, perhaps England should divest itself of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Those useless lumps are probably dragging it down.
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Feb 12, 2024 19:30:50 GMT
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Post by mickthecactus on Feb 12, 2024 19:30:50 GMT
Good points made by Mark.
For my part I can no longer buy a plant from the EU without a whole load of very expensive paperwork.
But it is what it is and we work to it.
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Feb 12, 2024 20:36:11 GMT
Post by onlyMark on Feb 12, 2024 20:36:11 GMT
If the UK is against unity, perhaps England should divest itself of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Those useless lumps are probably dragging it down. Rearrange these three words to form a famous saying - "straws - clutching - at".
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Feb 12, 2024 20:43:05 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Feb 12, 2024 20:43:05 GMT
You certainly are, mate.
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Feb 14, 2024 14:52:43 GMT
Post by cheerypeabrain on Feb 14, 2024 14:52:43 GMT
I think that a lot of leave voters were under the impression that the EU was to blame for a lot of things that it really had nothing to do with.
OUR government's wholesale selling off of the family silver. The introduction of the 'internal market'and re-engineering' were all designed to trim off what was seen by the politicians as 'excess to requirements' expenses. The money made from selling off council houses under the right-to-buy-scheme didn't go towards building more council homes. It didn't even go to the actual councils themselves for reinvesting in their region. Also within a few years many of these ex-council houses were bought up by landlords who failed to maintain their properties adequately. Trickle down economics is a nice idea but it doesn't work. Deregulation of the banks...ye gods Thatcherhas a lot to answer for. The free market and the idea that 'competition is king' isn't only a British idea I know, but with the privatisation of just about everything public owned we lost so much. For example....Leicester had a thriving hosiery and clothing industry well into the 70s....then with the free market (under the tories) the big stores started seeking ways to cut costs and they moved their orders abroad...largely to India and the Far East. Most of Leicester's factories couldn't compete (even with their workforce largely on the minimum wage) and thousands of workers lost their jobs. The factory buuildings themselves have been sold off to property developers and are now luxury appartments.
Allegedly, prior to the 'enthusiastic' campaign for Brexit led by Boris and Farage... the EU were pushing for regulation on offshore accounts and were seeking ways to close the loopholes for tax evasion and tax avoidance. Hhhhmmmmm.....
Sorry. I'm just feeling a bit ranty today...
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Feb 14, 2024 15:04:26 GMT
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Post by mickthecactus on Feb 14, 2024 15:04:26 GMT
Gordon Brown sold half the family gold. Just saying.
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Feb 14, 2024 15:05:50 GMT
Post by cheerypeabrain on Feb 14, 2024 15:05:50 GMT
I regard New Labour as 'Tory-Light'
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Feb 14, 2024 15:07:39 GMT
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Post by mickthecactus on Feb 14, 2024 15:07:39 GMT
Indeed. Not much to choose.
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Feb 14, 2024 15:09:13 GMT
Post by htmb on Feb 14, 2024 15:09:13 GMT
Cheery, thank you for your calm and well-articulated thoughts on the situation. I find your explanations very helpful for an outsider like me.
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Feb 14, 2024 15:17:36 GMT
Post by cheerypeabrain on Feb 14, 2024 15:17:36 GMT
Calm?
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