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Oct 25, 2020 11:02:56 GMT
Post by lugg on Oct 25, 2020 11:02:56 GMT
There are reports in the press today from credible sources that Boris is delaying negotiations re Brexit whilst he awaits the outcome of the US election. it makes me sick to my stomach.
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Oct 25, 2020 11:17:00 GMT
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Post by whatagain on Oct 25, 2020 11:17:00 GMT
I read an interesting artucke on that. If Trump wins, he doesn't care about UK anyway since he only cares about himself. If Biden wins, he is too honest to accept Johnson not respecting the deal he had made regarding Ireland. Either way he is fucked (this is my personal understanding)...
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Oct 25, 2020 12:23:55 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Oct 25, 2020 12:23:55 GMT
In any case, the UK seems to have a very flexible calendar since the absolute deadline for an agreement was supposed to be 31 October.
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Oct 25, 2020 16:29:30 GMT
Post by bixaorellana on Oct 25, 2020 16:29:30 GMT
There are reports in the press today from credible sources that Boris is delaying negotiations re Brexit whilst he awaits the outcome of the US election. it makes me sick to my stomach. As well it should, especially considering the very idea that the UK might in effect be outsourcing its medical care to the grotesque, inhumane US system.
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Oct 25, 2020 17:16:41 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Oct 25, 2020 17:16:41 GMT
All he could possibly be waiting for is another excuse to change the date of negotiations, which I personally find ridiculous, because a new American administration would not be in power until the end of January and frankly a trade deal with the UK would not at all be the most important thing on their agenda (nor should it be). Of course, if Johnson's plan is to base the entire UK trade policy on the new (or continued) demands of the United States then he should just get down on his knees now and wait for Trump or Biden to unzip their fly.
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Oct 25, 2020 17:24:05 GMT
Post by bixaorellana on Oct 25, 2020 17:24:05 GMT
I think Johnson just lets his silly ideas fly out in the hope that they'll stick with those in the population who pay no attention to real news, but rely on their preconceptions. One such might be that the US is a big rich country which loves the UK as its rightful mother country and has wisely turned its back on those other suspect former allies in order to build a better relationship with the UK based on fabulous trade deals which will make Britain rich and powerful.
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Oct 25, 2020 19:12:36 GMT
Post by lugg on Oct 25, 2020 19:12:36 GMT
There is so much wrong with this government ... the school meals saga for example where the government have refused to extend free school meals to children living in poverty this half term ( we are at odds with our neighbours in Wales , Scotland , and NI re this) Weigh this up against the subsidised food MPs get in parliament or the expenses they get for subsistence elsewhere . Fortunately there is a tsunami of public opinion against this which is not in the governments favour. ... another is the failure to support British farmers and food standards www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/oct/12/mps-reject-calls-by-campaigners-to-enshrine-food-safety-in-uk-lawAs well it should, especially considering the very idea that the UK might in effect be outsourcing its medical care to the grotesque, inhumane US system. Fills me with dread but not an impossible scenario at all. Of course, if Johnson's plan is to base the entire UK trade policy on the new (or continued) demands of the United States then he should just get down on his knees now and wait for Trump or Biden to unzip their fly. No.. as I understand it his plan will only be if Trump wins. Biden is no fan of Brexit.
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Oct 25, 2020 19:33:57 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Oct 25, 2020 19:33:57 GMT
But he will be desperate for some sort of deal, and it will not at all be an American priority, no matter who wins.
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Oct 25, 2020 21:10:17 GMT
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Post by mickthecactus on Oct 25, 2020 21:10:17 GMT
Why is the Guardian always quoted? Is it some paragon of jo urnalistic virtue?
And it says nothing about a failure to support British farmers and food standards. It says that it is not necessary to enshrine it in yet another law.
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Oct 25, 2020 21:47:56 GMT
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Post by mickthecactus on Oct 25, 2020 21:47:56 GMT
And your comments on the fisheries policy?
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Oct 25, 2020 21:50:02 GMT
Post by bixaorellana on Oct 25, 2020 21:50:02 GMT
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Oct 26, 2020 4:18:36 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Oct 26, 2020 4:18:36 GMT
Why is the Guardian always quoted? Is it some paragon of jo urnalistic virtue? No, I think it goes too far sometimes. But the Telegraph and the Times have paywalls, so they are not visible to most of us.
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Oct 26, 2020 6:44:23 GMT
Post by bjd on Oct 26, 2020 6:44:23 GMT
Given that the Guardian is one of the papers that participates in the international group of media that worked on the Panama tax scandal and others, I find it more trustworthy than some others. I also tend to believe what they say and am not particularly concerned with the coverage of the British Labour Party or other UK stuff.
I also really enjoy Marina Hyde's opinion columns.
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Oct 26, 2020 7:40:21 GMT
Post by mickthecactus on Oct 26, 2020 7:40:21 GMT
I did wonder about the Telegraph and Times.
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Oct 26, 2020 20:11:00 GMT
Post by lugg on Oct 26, 2020 20:11:00 GMT
Re the Guardian - from my perspective it is just the paper I read and one that most have access to here on AP and generally I trust it, much more than other UK papers except for the Independent maybe.
Re the fisheries policy - its very complicated and its not something I know a huge amount about but I do think its just a lamb being held up as a sacrifice by the UK government. However from an ecological point of view I think that Europe ( and actually much wider) need to have some cross cutting policies to prevent over fishing and wastage.
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Oct 26, 2020 20:21:04 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Oct 26, 2020 20:21:04 GMT
I think I already wrote this (probably even on this thread), but I read that 80% of the catch of UK fisheries is sold to the EU, and 70% of the catch of EU fisheries is sold to the UK (or perhaps the opposite, no big deal), which makes the situation even more confusing.
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Nov 13, 2020 19:01:25 GMT
Post by lugg on Nov 13, 2020 19:01:25 GMT
So we are finally rid of the shite Cummings - as one Tory MP said - "just got to muck out the stable now" or similar. I guess it will now be interesting times re Brexit negotiations given that Cain left yesterday.
I particularly enjoyed this post " Mr Cummings has found it increasingly difficult to ' Carrie' out his duties due to ongoing eyesight issues. On the advice of his specialist, Mr shudagone tuspecsavas, Mr Cummings will take extended leave at his 2nd home on the taxavoidancevestate'
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Nov 17, 2020 21:05:55 GMT
Post by lugg on Nov 17, 2020 21:05:55 GMT
Well we don't have a thread re Brexit can be funny so I am just going to drop this in here ,
The European Commission has just announced an agreement whereby English will be the official language of the European Union rather than German, which was the other possibility.
As part of the negotiations, the British Government conceded that English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a 5- year phase-in plan that would become known as "Euro-English".
In the first year, "s" will replace the soft "c". Sertainly, this will make the sivil servants jump with joy. The hard "c" will be dropped in favour of "k". This should klear up konfusion, and keyboards kan have one less letter.
There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year when the troublesome "ph" will be replaced with "f". This will make words like fotograf 20% shorter.
In the 3rd year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be expekted to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible.
Governments will enkourage the removal of double letters which have always ben a deterent to akurate speling.
Also, al wil agre that the horibl mes of the silent "e" in the languag is disgrasful and it should go away.
By the 4th yer peopl wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing "th" with "z" and "w" with "v".
During ze fifz yer, ze unesesary "o" kan be dropd from vords kontaining "ou" and after ziz fifz yer, ve vil hav a reil sensi bl riten styl.
Zer vil be no mor trubl or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi TU understand ech oza. Ze drem of a united urop vil finali kum tru.
Und efter ze fifz yer, ve vil al be speking German like zey vunted in ze forst plas
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Nov 17, 2020 21:49:30 GMT
Post by bixaorellana on Nov 17, 2020 21:49:30 GMT
Oh, that is hilarious! United Urop forewer!
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Dec 4, 2020 12:32:59 GMT
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Post by whatagain on Dec 4, 2020 12:32:59 GMT
A side effect or a lot of these to come ?
I got informed that with Brexit a lot of products will have redo certification. Reach for instance was a requirement for raw materials all over Europe. But will no longer de sufficient to sell in UK.
So some suppliers will simply no longer deliver these goods in UK since the certification costs a fortune, of course. Result : drop of suppliers delivering in UK. Result : drop in competition Usual result : prices going up. Goid luck UK citizens.
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Dec 6, 2020 22:23:00 GMT
Post by cheerypeabrain on Dec 6, 2020 22:23:00 GMT
Doris is still pushing ahead with the highly contentious legislation that will allow the UK to break the withdrawal agreement. The Lords rejected it but with typical arrogance Doris insists that their 11th hour 'clause' will be included. So the Good Friday agreement is doomed and with it any integrity we may have had. Despicable.
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Dec 7, 2020 13:44:53 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Dec 7, 2020 13:44:53 GMT
I find it fascinating that the fishing industry is one of the main sticking points of the Brexit (non) agreement, since it represents only 0.12% of the gross domestic product of the UK. Even just 1% might have been a credible negotiating chip but just one tenth of that?
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Dec 7, 2020 15:50:04 GMT
Post by bjd on Dec 7, 2020 15:50:04 GMT
I thought it was 0.2%? Anyway, Brexit voters probably feel more emotional about fishermen than they do about bankers.
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Dec 7, 2020 16:22:36 GMT
Post by fumobici on Dec 7, 2020 16:22:36 GMT
Fishing triggers hardcore nationalists in a predictable, particular and peculiar way. When I accidentally attended a Brexit rally in London, fishing issues were bloody red meat for the crowd (who were pretty much indistinguishable from a US Trump rally, complete with overt racism) and the speakers at the podium kept banging on about this economic irrelevancy. Don't, however, remind the "sovereigntists" of 1975 when the UK refused to recognize the 200 mile Icelandic EEZ and fished there illegally as well as literally sending in 22 Royal Navy frigates to ram and intimidate Icelandic fishermen. Sovereignty for me but not for thee.
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Dec 10, 2020 19:32:04 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Dec 10, 2020 19:32:04 GMT
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Dec 11, 2020 6:49:24 GMT
Post by whatagain on Dec 11, 2020 6:49:24 GMT
I read that Jim Ratcliffe, one of the richestcmen in UK and pro Brexit had promised to build a new car in Wales. Alas for the Welsh he changed his mind and will buy a plant in Germany. Do as i say, not as i do...
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Dec 11, 2020 7:18:43 GMT
Post by bjd on Dec 11, 2020 7:18:43 GMT
Yes, I read that too. It looks almost as though the pushiest Brexiteers did it as a game -- see how much influence they had. Ratcliffe is going to build cars in a former Mercedes factory in Germany while he lives in Monaco. The others like Farage, Rees-Mogg and others have all ensured their money will be working for them in European banks by transferring it out of London. Bunch of hypocrites.
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Dec 11, 2020 7:30:04 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Dec 11, 2020 7:30:04 GMT
I thought both of you were supposed to be good at geography. He bought the Smart/Mercedes factory in Hambach, Moselle, France.
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Dec 23, 2020 22:12:36 GMT
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Post by mickthecactus on Dec 23, 2020 22:12:36 GMT
We have a deal. Details not yet known.
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Dec 23, 2020 22:20:12 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Dec 23, 2020 22:20:12 GMT
Well then, happy Brexmas!
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