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Post by htmb on Apr 28, 2021 2:35:11 GMT
Oh, Mich! That is wonderful news. I’m very happy for you.
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Post by bixaorellana on Apr 28, 2021 2:35:49 GMT
Birds of a feather. Mich ~ super congratulations on that appointment. Believe me, I know exactly how you feel. Today I was told that you no longer need an appointment to get the vaccine in California -- that now it's all walk-in.
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Post by htmb on Apr 28, 2021 2:41:04 GMT
There are now walk-in sites with no appointment necessary in many Florida locations, too. AND the one-shot J&J is again available in my area.
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Post by mich64 on Apr 28, 2021 2:50:41 GMT
It is still really difficult to get vaccinated here, if it were not for my medical issues, I would still e waiting. They are still doing 60 and over, although they are now doing hot zone areas and more essential workers.
Watching what is happening in India is heartbreaking.
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Post by mich64 on Apr 28, 2021 3:01:23 GMT
And, thank you Bixa and htmb. I am hoping now I will stop breaking out in hives and be able to sleep, stress is a powerful thing. The worst part is feeling guilty because so many people and whole countries are in desperate situations, knowing I should be grateful I have been safer than so many but I got overwhelmed anyway, as hard as I was trying to keep it together.
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Post by htmb on Apr 28, 2021 3:06:37 GMT
Mich, I certainly hope you feel a sense of relief after the shot. I sure did. Also, I recommend you plan to have an easy day afterwards. Drink lots of fluids and relax a bit while the vaccine begins it’s work.
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Post by bjd on Apr 28, 2021 6:50:23 GMT
Glad to hear you will be vaccinated, Mich.
About India, of course things are terrible there, but let's not forget that it is also a political issue. While Modi was pushing for Hindu religious festivals gathering thousands of people together, and encouraging election campaigns, public health officials were not listened to when they warned of a second wave. The country kept exporting vaccines instead of keeping some for their own population. The mismanagement of the US Covid crisis, as well as those in Brazil, Turkey and in other countries with authoritarian leaders, are political problems.
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Post by questa on Apr 28, 2021 8:18:43 GMT
In the international courts in the Hague people are judged and punished for various "Crimes against humanity." These are perpetrated in a war-like situation.
Here we have a global war against a family of viruses. We also have hundreds of world and country leaders mismanaging this war, criminals operating with impunity, ignorant fools who spread rumours and publicise misinformation and so on down to the well meaning official who skips hand washing and so 20 more people will die.
Are not these "crimes against humanity"? The infrastructure is there to at least try the leaders of the countries that are killing their citizens by refusing to take heed of the scientists. The thieves must be brought to justice (Dream on!)and the people who spread lies and cause confusion also tried.
If a classroom of children all die, does it matter if it was a rogue national leader or an AK47 that killed them.
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Post by tod2 on Apr 28, 2021 9:55:46 GMT
Thought provoking questions Questa. The intentional killing of another human being/s is planned and carried out mostly with foresight. The killing of another human by gross negligence or just plain stupidity could be put down simply to human error or being a fallible human. It compares, for me at least, the same as a doctor who buries his mistakes. It is a terrible flaw in humanity and prooves again and again we are so weak.
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Post by kerouac2 on Apr 28, 2021 10:41:53 GMT
It's very dangerous territory as long as the tobacco and liquor industries remain legal.
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Post by questa on Apr 28, 2021 10:44:36 GMT
The killing of another human by gross negligence or just plain stupidity could be put down simply to human error or being a fallible human. It compares, for me at least, the same as a doctor who buries his mistakes. It is a terrible flaw in humanity and proves again and again we are so weak. Thanks for your response, Tod. Are you playing the "I was only following orders" card? or the 21st century version..."I'm so dumb I didn't know to wash my hands and I missed the training session". Then you look at Trump and wonder if he was criminal or plain ordinary stupid.
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Post by onlyMark on Apr 28, 2021 11:14:37 GMT
Genocide is black and white. Not following what the scientists say, isn't. Galileo fell foul of not only religion but also scientists of the time but was right.
Which leads on to the "...refusing to take heed of the scientists." The question is, things like, the WHO at one point said masks were not needed amongst the general population. Their science proved to be false with new information. Should they be prosecuted? Virus not airborne etc. If you fail to heed the scientists and are prosecuted but then the science changes, are you then freed? Not much can be done of you were executed though. Are the scientists culpable for their own misleading and wrong information if it turns out to be so?
In all science, what is glaringly obvious now and is inconceivable that it will change, in twenty, thirty, forty years or whatever, may change. Genocide and its ilk will always be genocide, science isn't set in stone for all time. As much as people like Bolsonaro should be held accountable I doubt the Crimes Against Humanity prosecution would hold water. Some things would. That wouldn't I say. Just what I think. It would need some variation on duty of care to the population you were sworn to look after and looking after their best interests.
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Post by bjd on Apr 28, 2021 11:24:03 GMT
I agree that Bolsonaro, Modi, Trump and others like that should not and would not be tried for crimes against humanity. In their case I don't even think it's stupidity, just a lust for power that overrides any other consideration.And for the time being, that is not illegal, just immoral.
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Post by tod2 on Apr 28, 2021 11:46:07 GMT
What do you all think of the prediction about getting a vaccine shot - by Geert Vanden Bosshe the scientist? Are we injecting ourselves for a far worse outcome for mankind?
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Post by kerouac2 on Apr 28, 2021 12:24:05 GMT
Sound like a job for QAnon!
Here is the reply from a fact checking site:
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Post by bixaorellana on Apr 28, 2021 14:05:10 GMT
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Post by questa on Apr 28, 2021 14:09:45 GMT
Sound like a job for QAnon! Here is the reply from a fact checking site: That is the big question, K2. We shall have to come back in 3-5 generations to see who was right. I think I read where his fellow virologists have spoken against his opinion. A situation like this brings all the failed scientists out of the woodwork hoping to make a name for themselves. Every circus has a clown. just a lust for power that overrides any other consideration.And for the time being, that is not illegal, just immoral. . I would imagine the methods used by those "leaders" to shore up their power base would attract the attention of the Courts in The Hague IF they could prosecute civilian criminals. My thoughts are...at what stage can this be declared a war/police action/peace-keeping force and so open to International justice. Without looking at the leaders, there would be plenty officials corrupt from head to toe who would keep the prisons occupied for a while
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Post by bjd on Apr 28, 2021 14:44:18 GMT
Oh, the Hague can prosecute civilian criminals. It's just that it was set up to prosecute those whose own country cannot (or will not?) try them. Given the years it takes, it seems more like a last resort. Rather than dealing with corrupt officials, the Hague court seems to deal with former heads of state and high-level prosecutions.
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Post by tod2 on Apr 29, 2021 8:03:02 GMT
Thanks for all the input. I am not put off having my vaccine shot when I finally get the call. I went back to thinking how the annual flu shot works and was told that it only works on the flu virus that is around at the time. So, if you get some other kind of flu, you just have to cope with it. I've never had a flu injection and this winter think I'll be safer than ever as I stay home and when out, wear a mask....that alone should protect me?
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Post by Kimby on Apr 29, 2021 13:25:04 GMT
I think perhaps the mRNA vaccines (Pfizer and Moderna) might provide broader protection against coronaviruses in general, at least until variants mutate to the point where the “crown” that attacks cells isn’t similar anymore to what the vaccines were engineered for.
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Post by kerouac2 on Apr 29, 2021 18:12:28 GMT
Outdoor dining starts again in France on May 9th. Today I went to the Chinese supermarket and saw along the way one of the neighbourhood hangouts building its extended terrace. These are free in Paris up until 30 June, but there will be a municipal charge as of 1 July. The places are howling since they all had to close at the end of October, so I will not exclude the possibility of the city changing its mind a bit. At the supermarket there were at least two Asian restauranteurs stocking up on huge amounts of frozen and canned goods. Too soon to buy anything fresh yet, but I imagine that they have put in reservations for their fresh orders in a week or so.
It is nice to see the new activity.
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Post by lugg on Apr 30, 2021 9:15:54 GMT
That's good news K2 - I read this morning that its thought France to open the doors to UK visitors in June too.
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Post by kerouac2 on Apr 30, 2021 10:23:17 GMT
Yes, but France will almost certainly still be on the UK's amber list requiring a quarantine upon returning home.
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Post by whatagain on Apr 30, 2021 16:17:13 GMT
I got my first Pfizer shot yesterday. And today i made a reservation for 3 to a restaurant on 12th of may.
Restaurants can open but must serve outside, so everybody is building terraces too in Belgium.
I expect to restart travel8ng in june.
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Post by tod2 on Apr 30, 2021 16:22:55 GMT
Congratulation Whatagain on your shot. I hope you will still be cautious. It is not an instant prevention against Covid. We are still a long way from getting shots although we are nearly 77 & 76yrs old.
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Post by cheerypeabrain on Apr 30, 2021 17:35:12 GMT
Jeff has his 2nd O/AZ vaccine on Monday, even tho it's a Bank Holiday here.
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Post by lugg on Apr 30, 2021 18:01:12 GMT
Congrats Whatagain and to Jeff Cheery. Yes, but France will almost certainly still be on the UK's amber list requiring a quarantine upon returning home. Not sure ..but its great news for some of my friends that have homes in France and those that live there but have not been able to see their relatives for some time. It does seem that things are improving for some of us.... But not yet for many others.
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Post by mich64 on May 1, 2021 0:17:57 GMT
Happy to read of your vaccinations whatagain, Jeff and Cheery.
Tod, I hope everyday that I come on that I will read that you two have had your first shots and I watch the case counts there. We are hoping soon for you both.
Today my younger sister and her husband obtained their first shot appointments for next Tuesday. That is the last for our immediate family members. These past 2 weeks has seen a dozen of us receive our first shots. It all seemed to happen so very fast after a few stressful months. I am feeling very grateful and relieved today. Now we all wait for July and August for our 2nd shots. I could feel how relieved my parents were when they called today.
I continue to hope for all to at least get that first shot as soon as possible.
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Post by fumobici on May 1, 2021 14:48:25 GMT
I got my first Pfizer shot yesterday. And today i made a reservation for 3 to a restaurant on 12th of may. Restaurants can open but must serve outside, so everybody is building terraces too in Belgium. I expect to restart travel8ng in june. Good news on getting your first shot. We've reached the wonderful point here where in many places you can just walk into a vaccination center and get vaccinated without having to make an appointment and wait. I live right near the Canadian border and in BC just north of me less than 3% of the population is fully vaccinated vs. our near 30%, we need to do better. The EU has a lot of catching up to do as well, I hope they begin putting more urgency into their vaccination efforts.
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Post by Kimby on May 1, 2021 19:41:14 GMT
Fumobici, the full immunity doesn’t kick in till two weeks after the 2ND shot, as I’m sure you are aware. Please continue to be careful till then.
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