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Post by kerouac2 on Oct 14, 2021 16:19:44 GMT
I think that just about everywhere, people were willing to accept a cancellation for one year. But two years in a row is starting to hurt, even though the authorities are right. Covid fatigue has caused too many people to reduce their observance of proper masking and distancing.
The figures are still good in France (unlike the UK), but everybody knows that it could all collapse unexpectedly.
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Post by mickthecactus on Oct 14, 2021 16:36:41 GMT
Yes, not great here but not sure why. Suspect it’s youngsters because most if us are vaccinated and hospital admissions are low.
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Post by kerouac2 on Oct 14, 2021 16:53:17 GMT
I also read that the UK tests more than the other countries of Europe, which would explain the 40,000 positive tests a day compared to the 4000-5000 of Germany, France or Spain, but it also has a considerably higher fatality rate. There will be far fewer tests in France as of tomorrow, because people who are not vaccinated and do not have a prescription will have to pay 22 or 44 euros (depending on the type of test), and it will NOT be reimbursed by health insurance. But the number of vaccinations should increase considerably.
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Post by tod2 on Oct 14, 2021 17:11:37 GMT
Yep - get them one way or another....
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Post by Kimby on Oct 16, 2021 22:53:20 GMT
Help Wanted signs on almost every business front. This place has a slightly different take.
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Post by kerouac2 on Oct 17, 2021 20:08:22 GMT
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Post by bjd on Oct 18, 2021 6:08:09 GMT
From the news articles I have been reading lately, the reason seems to be a Conservative government pushing to keep everything open and make people feel that everything is fine, so no masks obligatory, no social distancing. British tourists in Europe mention the difference in attitudes and behaviour.
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Post by kerouac2 on Oct 20, 2021 20:32:23 GMT
I really don't like all of these reports of a 5th wave starting in the UK, Germany, Netherlands, etc. Also new lockdowns in Moscow, Latvia and other places. We are not out of the woods yet.
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Post by questa on Oct 20, 2021 22:54:02 GMT
Waiting for a visitor who is running late...don't want to start another activity so just started reading this thread from the beginning again.
Wow! Haven't we come a long way in the last year and 3/4. From many false starts to bursts of knowledge, which in turn get outdated. The politics of the situations that arise, including the crazies who unite to form an ignorant, dangerous bloc which threatens all the hard work of the scientists. The exhaustion of the medical workers and the lack of equipment and beds. Who can forget the people in UK and Europe coming out together banging pots and pans at 8pm to show their gratitude for the sacrifices made by the essential workers?
Then the giant efforts in vaccinating the whole world. What an undertaking! The whole drama of lockdowns and restrictions and the effect on children of no school or playtimes with relatives. Now that the grim numbers are getting better there are rallies and demos involving the younger people demanding an end to restrictions.
I was in a shop last week where the waiting customers were complaining about having to wear a mask when out of home. "Fogs up my glasses" said one, "can't understand people if their lips are covered", said another. I could only remember a TV news report showing several earth-movers digging out rows of graves...hundreds...in Italy I think, and the reporter saying they were needed for the next day.
No, we are not out of the woods yet, Kerouac, but are learning to tell the wood from the trees.
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Post by whatagain on Oct 22, 2021 8:20:28 GMT
Russia is out of control, with about 30pc of vaccinated people, Poland is going bad, UK is derailing, India ? Belgium is introducing soin the Covid pass. Meanwhile my wife's anaesthesist is in ER, he had his 2 doses but stil... doctors have a risky job. Made worse and riskier by antivax. The anaesthesist is a real nice guy and a good friend of her since at least 25 years.
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Post by tod2 on Oct 22, 2021 10:41:24 GMT
That is such terrible terrible news. I really hope he was not an antivax and had a jab or two. I feel afraid for your wife. The doctors and nurses do such a brave job. This Covid thing is making me put off going for surgery at the moment. I don't want one thing fixed and another being broken - not recovering from Covid....
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Post by mich64 on Oct 22, 2021 15:49:38 GMT
I am sorry to read about your wife's friend whatagain. I hope his case is mild and that he has a speedy recovery. Indeed, they have a very risky job.
We went to watch a hockey game last night. It was a bit overwhelming. Standing outside in line watching everyone taking papers or phones out readying to show their double vaccination status with matching ID and everyone being masked. Once inside we took our seats and I gazed around and was felt happiness for all of us being able to experience a bit of normalcy safely.
Also, I held back tears as the crowd stood and cheered when two doctors from our local hospital were introduced at center ice for the ceremonial puck drop honouring their service througout the pandemic. One whole section of the arena was filled with essential workers who were given free tickets for the game.
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Post by bixaorellana on Oct 22, 2021 16:00:38 GMT
Tod, Whatagain said that the anaesthetist was double vaccinated.
Mich, that is a moving account of a crowd deeply enjoying an activity which used to be completely normal and now is a special event. How lovely that everyone wanted to honor those in the front line against this horrible disease.
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Post by tod2 on Oct 22, 2021 16:49:52 GMT
Thanks Bixa I mis-read that. At the moment I am so sick and tired of seeing these Anti-vaxxers on YouTube. Nobody is forcing them to be vaccinated (for their own good and their families lives). Nobody is holding a gun to their heads, Nobody is taking them to a room in a straight-jacket or handcuffs! So shut the fuck up you arseholes. Let us responsible people go ahead and get vaccinated. I saw the Brisbane park thing. Oh Please! There is not a shred of evidence that all those people died because they were vaccinated. Sorry- don't believe it. The truth will come out that they all had underlying health issues. How come MILLIONS upon MILLIONS survived the jab? Hey!? How come? Don't talk to me about "Poison " being put in our veins. I'm alive, my husband is alive , my son and partner and all my 40 strong staff are all alive and doing well...thank you.
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Post by mich64 on Oct 22, 2021 17:08:30 GMT
I am very tired of seeing or hearing about the Anti-vaxxers as well Tod. My dear sister is set to battle a second course of chemotherapy as her cancer has spread and added to the battle is her constant worry about COVID cases spreading in the community or the thought of a 5th wave this winter. She is double vaccinated but how can she not worry being immunocompromised. It could all be over with if these people would just get the shots and wear the masks. So happy to read you, your family and staff are all doing so well Tod.
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Post by kerouac2 on Oct 22, 2021 17:11:54 GMT
Here what's in the news is all of the Italian workers going out on sick leave due to the Italian vaccination mandate. Stupid stupid stupid.
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Post by whatagain on Oct 22, 2021 18:52:04 GMT
I have zero sympathy for the antivax and zero tolerance anymore. Actually, i consider that their choice is endangering others. Nit unlike men having unprotected sex without even testing for AIDS. Their egoism is killing others. They should at least go the whole mile and stay home if they get Covid. Natural selection would be allowed to take their pick.
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Post by bixaorellana on Oct 22, 2021 23:05:37 GMT
Can't agree more with Tod, with Mich & her sister & with Whatagain about the anti-vax crowd. What makes me craziest are the ones who seem intelligent and thoughtful, but nevertheless say "I'm waiting" about the vaccine. Well, we're admittedly all waiting for death, but they're the ones who might make it come sooner not only for themselves, but for others as well.
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Post by tod2 on Oct 23, 2021 7:48:35 GMT
It is so good to see that our Anyport family are all in agreement. Mich64 - My sister too has negative immune health issues. Has had Rheumatoid arthritis since the age of 13. Two weeks ago she had an outbreak of mouth and throat ulcers that were caused by the Methotrexate dose which was too high. She was taking 6 tablets twice a week. The doctor immediately stopped her taking it and upped her Folic Acid intake as well as her B12. She eats no red meat and hasn't for years. When Covid arrived she had to be fanatical about avoiding contact with people. No restaurant meals - no getting close to her grandaughters. She pestered the clinics and hospitals about the vaccine for the 70's age group until she and her husband found where they could be jabbed. Seems so silly now that people had to run around to find a vaccine outlet - I went for my second restaurant meal this week and right next door they were vaccinating anyone on a 'walk in - walk out' basis, if you brought your identity card.
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Post by mossie on Oct 23, 2021 14:51:53 GMT
Could not agree more. I had my flu jab on Thursday morning and my covid booster shot in the afternoon
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Post by whatagain on Oct 23, 2021 15:05:05 GMT
'They' refused to do that to my Dad. He was told to wait 2 weeks unbetween the jabs. So he got 3rd jab if Covid and later the flu.
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Post by kerouac2 on Oct 23, 2021 15:23:16 GMT
I will be getting two shots the next time I see my doctor -- the flu shot and also the multi-everything shot which I have never had (tetanus, diphtheria, polio, whooping cough, etc). They are waiting in my refrigerator for another 2 weeks or so.
I am not eligible for the covid booster until January. It has been announced that only the Pfizer product will be used for this.
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Post by Kimby on Oct 23, 2021 19:28:02 GMT
The Kimbys have appointments on Monday after lunch to get the Moderna booster, now that it’s been approved. We got our 2nd shots February 24, so 8 months ago. We will be traveling mid-November, so we are happy to get our immunity ramped up again.
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Post by kerouac2 on Oct 23, 2021 20:32:54 GMT
It's funny that they're using Moderna where you are, which is what I had as my second shot, because they have made a point here of assuring us that Moderna will not be used anymore in France as a booster, only Pfizer. And nobody mentions AstraZeneca anymore, which is what I had as my first shot.
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Post by Biddy on Oct 23, 2021 21:46:04 GMT
The Covid cases in UK are concerning. We here in the SF Bay Area are still wearing masks while going about our daily business. We have vocal anti-vaxxers too. I am concerned that our numbers will rise too with the approaching holiday season.
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Post by questa on Oct 23, 2021 22:40:15 GMT
Eeek! Here they are absolutely refusing to do flu and any covid shots unless they are at least two weeks apart. Even the weight of Big Business who had employees coming and going and wanted to speed up the process, could not change their minds. Never mind though. Give it a week or so and policy will have done a backflip again.
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Post by tod2 on Oct 24, 2021 12:12:31 GMT
We were discussing the Covid jabs for children 13 to 17yrs old. At first we read that if one parent was for it and one against, the child would have the right to decide what they wanted done --or not done. Now the latest news is that the child will NOT be permitted to decide so the "for it" parent will have to take the matter to court. I think seeing my grandson's mother is an Anti-Vaxxer, my grandchildren will just have to wait until she wants to travel out of the country with them and then probably get them done.....nothing to do with their safety and health, I might add. Going the court route will cause more distress to them I'm sure, and so I cannot see my son taking that action.
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Post by kerouac2 on Oct 24, 2021 14:08:10 GMT
In France, every child 12 or older can be vaccinated with the consent of just one parent.
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Post by bixaorellana on Oct 24, 2021 15:40:11 GMT
Tod, that is an excruciatingly frustrating situation! Let's hope that schools make the covid vaccination compulsory, so that children can be protected, no matter how loony their parents might be.
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Post by Kimby on Oct 24, 2021 19:28:05 GMT
It's funny that they're using Moderna where you are, which is what I had as my second shot, because they have made a point here of assuring us that Moderna will not be used anymore in France as a booster, only Pfizer. The Moderna booster is a half-strength dose. Which makes sense as it has something like 5 times the active ingredient as the Pfizer jab. And for those who got the J&J for their 1-shot vaccination, a second dose of J&J increases antibodies by 4x, but Pfizer increases antibodies by 35x and Moderna by 76x. Can’t imagine what France has against Moderna.
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