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Post by bixaorellana on Oct 24, 2021 19:50:10 GMT
Thanks for that explanation, Kimby!
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Post by kerouac2 on Oct 24, 2021 20:57:08 GMT
I dunno what the deal is but Sweden and Finland banned Moderna for younger people, followed by Denmark and Norway, and then Iceland banned it completely. Apparently it can cause (rare) heart inflammations. Then the top French health authority discouraged use of Moderna for all booster shots on October 15th, but it seems that the principal reason is because there is no shortage of Pfizer now and there are no warnings against its use so why take a risk?
I'll take any booster I can get.
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Post by htmb on Oct 24, 2021 21:28:13 GMT
I just came from the gym. I didn’t see anyone wearing a mask except for me. I guess we’re finished with covid here.
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Post by Kimby on Oct 24, 2021 23:45:10 GMT
I dunno what the deal is but Sweden and Finland banned Moderna for younger people, followed by Denmark and Norway, and then Iceland banned it completely. Apparently it can cause (rare) heart inflammations. The cardiac side effects were only reported with AstraZeneca’s vaccine, as far as I recall…
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Post by Kimby on Oct 25, 2021 0:53:44 GMT
This article is very detailed -but easy to read and understand - about the efficacy and safety of ALL the currently available vaccines (except Chinese and Russian concoctions). Several have a low incidence of heart inflammation and one has been linked to blood clots. www.yalemedicine.org/news/covid-19-vaccine-comparison
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Post by kerouac2 on Oct 25, 2021 4:10:34 GMT
I'm not defending or attacking one or the other. I just reported what has been decided in France.
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Post by Kimby on Oct 25, 2021 4:28:59 GMT
I posted the link because it’s full of information, not to defend my viewpoint. And I learned some things reading it.
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Post by whatagain on Oct 25, 2021 6:14:31 GMT
My wife's anaesthesist left ER and hospitzl altogether. He will be assisting her in 2 weeks. Said he had a very rough time.
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Post by kerouac2 on Oct 25, 2021 7:58:37 GMT
It is always good news to hear about somebody's recovery. We heard too much of the other sort of news for too long.
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Post by tod2 on Oct 25, 2021 8:00:21 GMT
Oh wonderful news !! More proof that being vaccinated allows you some chance to recover and live.
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Post by Kimby on Oct 25, 2021 17:12:27 GMT
Here’s more good news for the vaccinated. And especially for the Moderna vaccinated. From MedPage:
“The CDC has begun to provide weekly data on COVID-19 cases and deaths by vaccination status, illustrating the stark differences between those who have received the shots and those who haven't -- and even revealing some differences between vaccines.
Users can parse the data by vaccine product, and while the unvaccinated have the highest rates of cases and deaths, there's a numeric divergence for the three vaccines as well.
Deaths among the unvaccinated peaked the week starting August 8, at 13.23 per 100,000 population, while deaths among those who had been vaccinated with one of the three products remained under four per 100,000 that week. For the vaccinated, deaths were numerically highest among Johnson & Johnson recipients, at 3.14 per 100,000, followed by Pfizer at 1.43, and Moderna at 0.73.
Cases were similarly highest among the unvaccinated, peaking at about 736 per 100,000 for the week starting August 15. Again, there were numeric differences between vaccine groups, with Johnson & Johnson being the highest (172), followed by Pfizer (135), and Moderna (86).
Despite those differences, the overall message is clear: the unvaccinated were at far higher risk of being infected with and dying from COVID-19.
The latest data from August 29-September 4 show that less than one vaccinated person per 100,000 had died the previous week compared with more than nine unvaccinated people per 100,000. Overall, in August, according to the tool, unvaccinated people were 6.1 times more likely than fully vaccinated people to test positive for COVID-19 and 11.3 times more likely to die from it.”
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Post by casimira on Oct 28, 2021 16:20:59 GMT
Louisiana lifted the mask mandate this week. NOLA was not included however, tomorrow it will be lifted with few exceptions, health care facilities, public transportation, and schools K-12. We went from being one of the major "hot spots" for a long time. The numbers of new cases has dropped dramatically. Sure hope it stays that way.
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Post by casimira on Oct 29, 2021 16:14:28 GMT
Masks off in NOLA today!! While the idea of this sounds so liberating, I hope people use some common sense and don't take it to mean that they can go all out and not keep from social distancing etc. And, of course they will. University students in particular are at the top of the list of those who will.
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Post by bixaorellana on Oct 29, 2021 17:33:16 GMT
It's as though some states and cities want covid. Meanwhile, in my fair town we have been advised by the municipality that even though we're in the "green light" level of covid, cemeteries will remain closed and that all group activities are suspended. There was a list of thes types of activity, in case anyone was in doubt. Nevertheless, yesterday evening at dusk I was shocked to see two of the specifically prohibited events. There was an enormous convocation of cyclists filling a small plaza. A little while later I witnessed a mass of costumed children flowing up one street & crossing another, presumably on their way to a large non socially-distanced event at the Llano park.
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Post by Kimby on Oct 29, 2021 23:06:51 GMT
Very interesting article from NPR about what is likely to happen as the pandemic fizzles to a perennial virus like the common cold. apple.news/A5CJ45ZStRB2gK7P_SoIYRAHope you all can read it. If not I can copy and paste. But I don’t know how to make it a spoiler, so holding off for now.
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Post by kerouac2 on Oct 30, 2021 4:10:03 GMT
More than 95% of the infections in France now are the delta variant.
Infections are on the rise in Europe again -- mostly eastern Europe -- while they are currently declining in the rest of the world.
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Post by kerouac2 on Nov 3, 2021 6:31:24 GMT
The death rate is hitting new highs in the UK and Romania, while the number of cases is exploding in Greece and the Netherlands. The Netherlands had abandoned masks but has just begun a new mask mandate. I also find it rather ominous that even though China now has very few cases, the government has told the people to stock up on food as a precaution. But of course when China has a lockdown, it's not like our wimpy ones where the food stores remain open...
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Post by whatagain on Nov 3, 2021 11:24:20 GMT
In was told in the Netherlands the mandatory wearung of the mask was anticonstitutional.
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Post by bixaorellana on Nov 3, 2021 20:19:23 GMT
I don’t know how to make it a spoiler, Kimby, in order to use the Spoiler button you have to be in Reply rather than Quick Reply.
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Post by bixaorellana on Nov 4, 2021 2:24:12 GMT
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Post by questa on Nov 4, 2021 21:18:27 GMT
I just hope the "research" that was done to come up with this flummery was not from funds allocated to the investigations into more useful information. I can think of several areas of knowledge that would do justice to funding at this time of confusion and rapid change when we need more wisdom and less nonsense.
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Post by Kimby on Nov 4, 2021 22:44:39 GMT
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Post by mich64 on Nov 5, 2021 0:38:21 GMT
An outbreak in a seniors living building was announced today. Thirty new cases with more to be expected positive in the coming days. Most of the residents have had their booster shot and all visitors must be double vaccinated and masked but there were still a few unvaccinated staff. All my hopes that the vaccinations will keep those who are positive out of the hospital and onto quick recoveries.
The anti-vax community is almost gleeful as many are posting comments that this should prove to all that the mandates, vaccines, boosters and masks do not work. It is so frustrating that they can not comprehend the virus or vaccines. Best to just stop reading their comments.
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Post by bixaorellana on Nov 5, 2021 2:19:51 GMT
Most of the residents have had their booster shot and all visitors must be double vaccinated and masked but there were still a few unvaccinated staff. ... The anti-vax community is almost gleeful as many are posting comments that this should prove to all that the mandates, vaccines, boosters and masks do not work. Maybe I shouldn't say this, but good grief -- I HATE them! Their arrogant clinging to their monstrous stupidity is nauseating and criminal. I despise them, and have zero respect for them & their willful ignorance.
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Post by kerouac2 on Nov 5, 2021 4:15:44 GMT
Sometimes one gets nasty thoughts that those people should be denied medical treatment, but that would make things worse, not just for them but for us, too.
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Post by onlyMark on Nov 5, 2021 6:03:26 GMT
Don't sit on the fence with your opinion Bixa. tell us what you actually think.
Don't the anti-vaxxers understand there is a difference between that of getting covid and that of getting severe symptoms and dying from it? Probably not.
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Post by bjd on Nov 5, 2021 6:51:32 GMT
Sometimes one gets nasty thoughts that those people should be denied medical treatment, but that would make things worse, not just for them but for us, too. I get those same nasty thoughts. There should be ID pics taken of them and checked when they come for covid treatment at the hospital. I had the same thought when I saw young guys in Texas holding up anti-abortion signs. They should be castrated at puberty.
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Post by questa on Nov 5, 2021 11:35:28 GMT
Early 1960s major hospital in Sydney. It was the main centre for a large number of families that will not allow blood transfusions for religious reasons. Now they get around the problem by using other products but then it was transfuse or die stuff.
So the way it worked some poor official from the Child welfare would be dragged out of bed at 3am, he then had to find a foster parent for the child who was then declared a ward of the State with the Minister of Welfare taking responsibility for the child, for 24 hours. The Minister had to be convinced that the transfusion was the only thing that could save the child before giving permission for the procedure to go ahead.
OF course the parents were beside themselves with mixed emotions and their community was hardly supportive. When the child was out of danger the group sometimes turned on the parents, Minister and hospital staff to vent their anger.
Could the method of vaccing kids allow children to be "in care" for the duration of the "shots" or would the people revolt completely?
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Post by bixaorellana on Nov 5, 2021 16:28:43 GMT
Don't sit on the fence with your opinion Bixa. tell us what you actually think. That was the watered-down, edited-for-public-consumption version of my opinion on this subject. People in assisted living situations often must stay in that facility either because they've sold their homes or because their physical condition warrants assisted living. People in nursing homes generally have no realistic choice beyond the nursing home. So, the residents of those places were forced to live like prisoners up until they were finally able to be vaccinated. They had to wear masks any time they left their apartments or rooms, were given their meals in their rooms -- often in styrofoam or other disposable containers -- could not be visited by their families and friends, etc. etc. etc. Many elderly people who were fragile in body &/or mind deteriorated badly or even died during that time. Those residents who contracted covid while living under the restricted circumstances obviously got it from someone who brought it in from the outside. Obviously staff in those kinds of facilities must come and go, as they don't live there. Who knows how careful or not they were during the lockdown period. But we know damned well that there is a vaccine now and that any responsible adult working in such a place should know to get that vaccine. If they refuse to get it for whatever jackshit, trumped-up, selfish, irresponsible reason, they should be immediately fired and forbidden to ever work in any kind of care facility again or, indeed, any kind of job where they come in contact with the public.
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Post by bixaorellana on Nov 5, 2021 16:32:02 GMT
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