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Post by monetsmum on Mar 3, 2020 20:50:06 GMT
Same advice from Boris' press conference. Rather put me in mind of the 70s and 80s..........'in case of nuclear attack - get under the table!' No hand gel available in local shops or chemists (as reported by a friend) but that doesn't bother me. There's nowt up wi' good ol' soap and water, and a sing-along.
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Post by kerouac2 on Mar 3, 2020 20:53:49 GMT
Anyway, 212 cases in France now. Not progressing too fast, but still not a great piece of news.
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Post by mickthecactus on Mar 3, 2020 21:03:02 GMT
Coronavirus sing alongs are a great idea MM!
Suggestions please!
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Post by mickthecactus on Mar 3, 2020 21:05:40 GMT
An Opera suggestion:-
Mimi your tiny hand is washed.
Beatles: I don't want to hold your hand.
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Post by monetsmum on Mar 3, 2020 21:38:26 GMT
Elvis Presley - Make the World Go Away
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Post by mickthecactus on Mar 3, 2020 21:49:26 GMT
Dion and the Belmonts - Quaranteenager in love
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Post by bixaorellana on Mar 3, 2020 22:43:24 GMT
Peggy Lee ~ You Give Me Fever
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Post by questa on Mar 3, 2020 22:45:29 GMT
"Don't take my hand, I'm a stranger with viruses" (Kismet)
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Post by bixaorellana on Mar 3, 2020 22:54:40 GMT
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Post by questa on Mar 3, 2020 22:55:21 GMT
" There were ten in the bed and the middle one said 'Roll over, roll over' So they all rolled over and one fell out... There were nine in the bed......
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Post by mich64 on Mar 4, 2020 0:25:11 GMT
We bought our flight tickets yesterday for September. Had an interesting conversation with our travel agent regarding the virus and about some of her clients experiences in Italy right now.
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Post by questa on Mar 4, 2020 1:50:41 GMT
Kangaroo meat is sold as pet food everywhere, as raw meat, or vacuum packed, minced (ground) mixed with other stuff to make patties etc. 'Roo meat for humans is in sealed packs labelled steaks, mince. tail etc. It is delicious, bit like venison. Very low in fats and 'red meat nasties'. Cheap cuts make great stews and once you have eaten meat patties, spag sauce, cottage pie etc made with roo mince you will never eat oily, smelly lamb or beef again. Sold at most supermarkets and butchers...popular for deli meats too.
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Post by questa on Mar 4, 2020 2:29:01 GMT
A nurse friend of mine is giving me info, and basically has said this can not be contained and everyone should be prepared to get the virus eventually. Here is an idea. Back in the days of the Black Plague people would try to infect themselves at a time when they were able to be at their strongest to withstand the illness. If strong healthy people who are in the First Responders groups etc volunteered to expose themselves to this virus it would a produce a trained emergency crew They would get top treatment as patients and maybe $$ as well
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Post by bixaorellana on Mar 4, 2020 3:09:22 GMT
Had an interesting conversation with our travel agent regarding the virus and about some of her clients experiences in Italy right now. Good or bad, Mich? Exciting to have that ticket in hand, isn't it.
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Post by kerouac2 on Mar 4, 2020 5:35:03 GMT
Italy is still going downhill -- 79 deaths now, including 27 just yesterday.
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Post by bjd on Mar 4, 2020 7:19:15 GMT
Are you sure about that Black Plague stuff, Questa? In the 15th century, people had no idea how the plague was passed on (fleas on rats coming off ships) so how would they expose themselves? On the contrary, many theories and scapegoats were found to explain the spread. I believe Europe lost a third of its population in one of the biggest epidemics.
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Post by mickthecactus on Mar 4, 2020 7:53:00 GMT
Marilyn Monroe -
A kiss on the hand may be quite Continental But soap and water is a girl's best friend
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Post by kerouac2 on Mar 4, 2020 7:57:10 GMT
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Post by questa on Mar 4, 2020 11:15:28 GMT
so how would they expose themselves? As I have understood it, they didn't know the "how" but the rich and famous would hold fabulous balls and parties and poor people with the plague were invited to circulate among the guests. There are paintings of that era showing a fairly licentious party going on while Death stands in the shadow waiting. My favourite doctor is Avicena, a Persian polymath who lived in Isfahan. He built 2 'lodges' about 10km outside the city and decreed no-one may enter the city before they had spent 27 or 28 days in the lodge. If they showed any sickness they were moved to the second lodge and cared for. Esfahan had almost no deaths from the Plague and fewer everyday illnesses. Avicena provided many sports to amuse his 'guests'. I think they knew about disease passing between people, hence the laws about lepers. I guess they didn't know about vectors.
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Post by lagatta on Mar 4, 2020 14:01:21 GMT
Muslims didn't persecute cats either.
I know a couple of medical specialists of Iranian origin, I'm sure they'd have a lot to tell about Avicena. (Ibn Sina). In French, Avicenne, and Librairie Avicenne is a prominent bookshop for subject to what used to be called arabo-muslim culture (due to classical Arabic present for liturgical reasons also in the Persian and Turkish civilisations) located near Jussieu university and the Institut du monde arabe.
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Post by htmb on Mar 4, 2020 14:17:38 GMT
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Post by kerouac2 on Mar 4, 2020 15:09:26 GMT
Avicenne is the name of one of the major hospitals in the Paris metropolitan area (in Bobigny). It used to be called the Hôpital Franco-Musulman and was reserved for Muslim patients, both locals and people brought in from French North Africa mostly. Now it is a normal university hospital treating everyone and took the name Avicenne in 1978. It retains its Muslim inspired architecture, however.
In France, Avicenne (or Abu Ali al-Husayn Ibn Abd Allah Ibn Sina) is honoured for having written the main medical encyclopaedia of the time, which was used into the 16th century. It did not mention coronavirus.
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Post by cheerypeabrain on Mar 4, 2020 17:26:37 GMT
Whilst every medical professional interviewed in the media is calm...the TV and media presenters are desperately trying to whip up panic. One journalist was excitedly interviewing shoppers outside a supermarket, 'are you stocking up? Are you scared?' But the folk interviewed have all been pretty calm.
Mind you, we did the grocery shopping today - as we do most Wednesdays. We choose to go midweek because it's usually quiet, whilst it was quite civilised it was a lot busier than normal and they'd sold out of things like plain flour and potatoes (theres a shortage here anyway because of a poor harvest last year) and people were buying lots of tinned soup!
We actually spent less than we usually do...
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Post by cheerypeabrain on Mar 4, 2020 17:32:12 GMT
Questa. I used to buy kangaroo steak regularly in the 90s, along with ostrich! a delicious and healthy alternative to beef etc. Can't get hold of it these days sadly.
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Post by mickthecactus on Mar 4, 2020 18:22:51 GMT
We went to Iceland (the store..) and it was virtually empty. Freezers are now rammed.
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Post by bjd on Mar 4, 2020 19:00:46 GMT
I went shopping this afternoon too. No shortages of anything I could see and not many people either, or at least the usual small numbers early afternoon on a weekday.
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Post by questa on Mar 4, 2020 23:04:13 GMT
I have visited the tomb/mausoleum of Avicenna in Hamedan, Iran.There is an attached museum showing the 80 books he wrote and his herb library of named treatments for each herb.He is still widely honoured in Iran.
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Post by spaceneedle on Mar 4, 2020 23:18:02 GMT
We are about to find out about your idea, questa, since there are over a dozen first responders currently quarantined at a local firehouse, all ill.
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Post by questa on Mar 4, 2020 23:19:42 GMT
Cheerie. Kangaroos are hunted by licenced hunters who only get permission to take so many 'roos according to numbers. If the numbers are too low it is not financially worth hunting them. We have been in drought since 2002...not enough 'roos, Since the fires there are hundreds on the move looking for grass so I hope the numbers go up soon.
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Post by questa on Mar 4, 2020 23:53:35 GMT
over a dozen first responders currently quarantined at a local firehouse, all ill. I am thinking nurses, doctors, physios (needed for breathing therapies) cooks and kitchen/cleaning staff, stores and supply chain, transport and truck drivers...in fact anyone who could be needed as the disease figures start to rocket. I saw a story of a boy who had the virus...about 14 yrs. Said it was 3 weeks of "hell" but has recovered OK. How long is needed for recuperation? In the back of my mind are the pictures of the bushfires in Australia and the volunteers who gave to their country their health and their lives.
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