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Post by lugg on Apr 6, 2023 19:00:03 GMT
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Post by bixaorellana on Apr 6, 2023 23:13:54 GMT
What a wonderful place and what luck to have it to yourself! Your photographs are exquisite -- you compose and frame so beautifully. That second-to-last picture is pure perfection.
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Post by kerouac2 on Apr 7, 2023 5:05:34 GMT
The tradition of putting a graveyard around churches had its limits, but it also limited development and made towns greener. In France and Italy; houses crowded around the church as much as possible in most cases.
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Post by fumobici on Apr 7, 2023 5:22:00 GMT
The tradition of putting a graveyard around churches had its limits, but it also limited development and made towns greener. In France and Italy; houses crowded around the church as much as possible in most cases. Yes Catholic churches never have churchyard cemeteries. Even in the US, it's rare to see. Maybe a COE thing?
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Post by bjd on Apr 7, 2023 5:46:14 GMT
The cemeteries around churches were one of the things I really liked on my visit to Yorkshire. They always added peace and greenery to the building.
It's also nice to see that old church still in use, unlike most of the old churches and monasteries destroyed during the Reformation.
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Post by kerouac2 on Apr 7, 2023 5:51:04 GMT
I remember seeing a graveyard around a church in Belgium once, but the reason I remember it is because I found it so unusual. I would guess that most village cemeteries in France were placed outside the village due to health concerns since so many people died of dreadful diseases.
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Post by bixaorellana on Apr 7, 2023 5:57:53 GMT
The Episcopal church in my home town is surrounded by a cemetery in which people of other denominations were buried for a long time.
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Post by whatagain on Apr 7, 2023 6:21:09 GMT
I remember seeing a graveyard around a church in Belgium once, but the reason I remember it is because I found it so unusual. I would guess that most village cemeteries in France were placed outside the village due to health concerns since so many people died of dreadful diseases. Was going to say so. A lot of our churches have graveyards. I remember a few in Alsace having cemeteries too. Anyway, the pics give su h an impression of quietness... |
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Post by lugg on Apr 9, 2023 18:43:10 GMT
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Post by lugg on Apr 9, 2023 18:47:20 GMT
A link for those who would like more detail about the history of the Abbey www.doreabbey.org.uk/aboutA potted history Dore Abbey was founded by Robert Fitz Harold of Ewyas about 1147. ( Grandson of William 1st) It is thought that he met the Abbot of Morimond Abbey in the C hampagne region of north-eastern France during a crusade and then some monksfrom the order , moved to his land to build Abbey Dore under his patronage. It seems the Abbey was built relatively quickly, and completed about 1250. During the early 13th century, the abbey expanded its land holdings, particularly through the acquisition of good quality farmland in the area granted to them by King John in 1216. This enabled the abbey to become wealthy, especially through the sale of wool, and as a result the abbey was largely rebuilt in the Early English style. The presbytery was expanded, and additional chapels, a processional ambulatory, and domestic buildings including a chapter house were added. In 1260, the abbey was described as a "sumptuous church". The new building was consecrated by Thomas de Cantilupe, Bishop of Hereford, in 1282, and was dedicated to the Holy Trinity and Saint Mary. Around 1305, Richard Straddell (d.1346) became Abbot. He was a distinguished scholar and theologian who at times served as a diplomat for the crown. In 1321 he was given a relic of the Holy Cross by William de Gradisson, and the abbey became a centre of pilgrimage.
So … the next 400 years passed by relatively easily but then a series of financial difficulties coupled with a collapse in internal discipline impacted .The Abbey was suppressed in 1536 ( I guess the English reformation which began a couple of years earlier )and the buildings rapidly fell into ruins.
In 1633 the owner, Viscount Scudamore, decided to restore what was left of the abbey church and convert it for use as the local parish church. A tower was added, the interior refurbished with carved oak, a fine Renaissance screen inserted, and many windows replaced with seventeenth-century stained glass.
By the end of the nineteenth century the church was again in need of attention, and the repairs were carried out by Roland Paul in 1901-09. Today there is an ongoing programme of restoration and maintenance. So inside … First a map and you may be able to see that some of the graveyard is sited over the original buildings . I have purposely made it extra large to make it easier to see, albeit scrolling required. live.staticflickr.com/65535/52791586603_c9a8c16461_h.jpgThe entrance leads into the south transept and these first pictures are of that, the crossing and the north transept live.staticflickr.com/65535/52791133546_c3bd666278_c.jpglive.staticflickr.com/65535/52791370274_414ba3bda7_c.jpgA number of wall paintings survive within the church. There are various dates for these: some date to the Scudamore restoration of 1632-33, others from 1701-10. Some biblical quotes, some are pictoral in nature live.staticflickr.com/65535/52791528290_1fb4cbfb30_c.jpglive.staticflickr.com/65535/52791136761_63ec35bd63_c.jpgThe royal arms of Queen Anne are also painted in one place, drawn around 1710. live.staticflickr.com/65535/52791585868_b41b96e689_c.jpgSee the doorway in the pic above on the left – this was once the monk’s night stairway from their dorms to the abbey. There are a number of ledger stones in the floor of this part of the building …one example below live.staticflickr.com/65535/52791585533_f1b2098369_c.jpgI don’t think I have ever seen a poor box before ..obviously too excited to see it ( rubbish pics sorry ) live.staticflickr.com/65535/52791370509_48937aefdb_c.jpglive.staticflickr.com/65535/52791137171_90e9661303_b.jpglive.staticflickr.com/65535/52790581007_7a0dc15947_c.jpgMinstrels gallery (1701), located in the crossing live.staticflickr.com/65535/52791528495_d08eeb3e5d_c.jpgAnd so to the presbytery ---looking down from the crossing . The oak screen blocking off the presbytery was made by John Abell, the King’s Carpenter, the royal arms in the middle are of Charles I, with Scudamore’s arms on the left, and Laud’s on the right. The text across reads: Vive deo gratus / toti mundo tumulatus / crimine mundatus / semper transire paratus which translates as: ‘live in a way pleasing to God / entirely oblivious to the world / free from reproach / always ready to pass to the next world’. live.staticflickr.com/65535/52791585418_43e629e746_c.jpgThere is no way to get this straight – I guess there were no spirit levels in the 1600s live.staticflickr.com/65535/52791527930_9a9b986865_c.jpgLast few photos and info to follow . |
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Post by lugg on Apr 10, 2023 18:33:43 GMT
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Post by fumobici on Apr 10, 2023 19:37:17 GMT
This report just digs deeper and deeper, bringing new and unanticipated surprises. I think at first it's a rather banal record of a visit like my little post about my visit to the hermitage in the Italian hills I made today, but it isn't. I'm left hoping there will be more and awaiting it.
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Post by kerouac2 on Apr 11, 2023 6:23:35 GMT
The building becomes more interesting as we delve into it.
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Post by mickthecactus on Apr 11, 2023 6:53:21 GMT
Great pictures lugg. You have a good eye.
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Post by lugg on Apr 11, 2023 18:33:17 GMT
Thanks Guys.
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Post by bixaorellana on Apr 14, 2023 3:14:51 GMT
Just went through this with the care it deserves. What a remarkable place an you gave it such a thorough and beautiful report. The line drawing with it's color coding for the different centuries makes sense of the place and brings home what treasure it is. The stonework and proportions throughout are gorgeous, of course along with the fabulous windows. I agree with you about the simple with circles -- it's lovely. Thanks so much for bringing us this rich and satisfying report.
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Post by lugg on Apr 17, 2023 19:24:51 GMT
Kind words Bixa ...much appreciated
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Post by mich64 on Apr 17, 2023 23:06:30 GMT
Superb presentation lugg. I enjoy the way your capture the scale of a room, building or landscape.
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Post by lugg on Apr 18, 2023 18:48:54 GMT
I enjoy the way your capture the scale of a room, building or landscape. Thank you Mich |
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