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Post by kerouac2 on Dec 4, 2020 17:55:35 GMT
As far as I'm concerned there are 3 acceptable pronunciations of New Orleans, and I heard all of them when I grew up next door. I don't know if there has been any analysis of who says what.
New Or-lee-uns New Or-leens New Or-luns
When I was very young, black people in the area would say Nyawluns, but it was practically a different dialect. When I was in university in Los Angeles, there were a lot of black people who had moved there from the deep south, and I was just about the only person who could understand them -- my California friends would ask me to interpret.
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Post by kerouac2 on Dec 4, 2020 18:00:48 GMT
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Post by mickthecactus on Dec 4, 2020 18:11:05 GMT
Do you really say New? Or Noo?
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Post by bixaorellana on Dec 4, 2020 18:18:56 GMT
On another thread, Fumobici posed this question: I have often thought about shooting people who think it's cute to say N'Awlins because they ignorantly think that's how New Orleanians say it. Oh I'm dying to know, how should it be said in the local dialect? Fumobici, this covers it pretty well, although the writer kind of fails to acknowledge that New Orleanians, and indeed most people from the southern US don't really come down hard on the letter R. Thus, when he directs you to say it like Fats Domino, i.e. NOO orlins, it's more like a cross between orlins and ohlins. Here is Fats himself. And I just realized that, despite having heard this song a few million times in my life, I never before picked up that he doesn't say the S at the end of Orleans. And here it is used in speaking: Fumobici, I just posted a video with Harry Connick, Jr. speaking. If you want to hear one of the classic New Orleans accents, go here: anyportinastorm.proboards.com/post/353298/thread (#47)
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Post by bixaorellana on Dec 4, 2020 18:28:40 GMT
bixa, could that be Louis Prima? You got it, Breeze! Good eye. It's Noo, Mick. I didn't know that this discussion of the proper pronunciation of NO was going on in this thread. That's because I was busy elsewhere replying to Fumobici's question about that very question. I, of course, put my reply in the correct thread: anyportinastorm.proboards.com/post/353299/thread (#148)
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Post by fumobici on Dec 4, 2020 18:31:07 GMT
Thank you! Funny how many stresses for French-derived names in NO have migrated the stress to the first syllable. MOAN do!
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Post by casimira on Dec 4, 2020 18:35:00 GMT
As far as I'm concerned there are 3 acceptable pronunciations of New Orleans, and I heard all of them when I grew up next door. I don't know if there has been any analysis of who says what. New Or-lee-uns New Or-leens New Or-luns When I was very young, black people in the area would say Nyawluns, but it was practically a different dialect. When I was in university in Los Angeles, there were a lot of black people who had moved there from the deep south, and I was just about the only person who could understand them -- my California friends would ask me to interpret. I would opt for the third one you listed Kerouac. The second one is used by "auschlanders" or Yankees. My brother drives me nuts because after all these years he still says it like the second one. New and Noo, I don't understand. It's New as in New.
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Post by mickthecactus on Dec 4, 2020 18:56:38 GMT
So you pronounce New English style.
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Post by whatagain on Dec 4, 2020 18:59:54 GMT
I pronounce it nr 2. Glad to see it is acceptable or at least understood.
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Post by bjd on Dec 4, 2020 19:04:01 GMT
Nobody told Eric Burdon how to pronounce it:
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Post by casimira on Dec 4, 2020 19:31:39 GMT
I can forgive them for pronouncing it that way simply because they are Brits and didn't know any better.
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Post by casimira on Dec 4, 2020 19:36:17 GMT
So you pronounce New English style. New and Noo sound the same t me so I guess as Bixa said, Noo is the way it is supposed to sound.
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Post by bixaorellana on Dec 4, 2020 20:01:37 GMT
Nobody told Eric Burdon how to pronounce it: I think it's almost a rule to pronounce it that way in songs, just because eens is easy to rhyme. Even native New Orleanians sing it that way -- Louis Armstrong, Fats Domino, Harry Connick, Jr., etc.
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Post by kerouac2 on Dec 4, 2020 20:02:18 GMT
Maybe the British have more than one way of pronouncing New.
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Post by bjd on Dec 4, 2020 20:12:01 GMT
If you listen carefully, Burdon says "or-lee-ans". After hearing that song I thought that was the way to pronounce it. But then I heard Bob Dylan and figured he knew better since he was American. Turns out locals say it differently.
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Post by mickthecactus on Dec 4, 2020 20:21:17 GMT
I can forgive them for pronouncing it that way simply because they are Brits and didn't know any better. That’s the point I was trying to make between between New and Noo!
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Post by bixaorellana on Dec 4, 2020 20:34:03 GMT
New and Noo sound the same to me Casimira, the first one is nyoo and the second noo. How do the British pronounce new and do they all pronounce it the same?
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Post by casimira on Dec 4, 2020 20:58:55 GMT
Good question as I am completely at a loss here...
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Post by lugg on Dec 4, 2020 21:02:09 GMT
How do the British pronounce new and do they all pronounce it the same? Im not sure if this helps or not but I pronounce New in the same way as I would "knew" ? definitely closer to Nyoo than Noo As far as I'm concerned there are 3 acceptable pronunciations of New Orleans, and I heard all of them when I grew up next door. I don't know if there has been any analysis of who says what. New Or-lee-uns New Or-leens New Or-luns My pronunciation ... no idea if it is right or wrong is No 1 New Or-lee-uns
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Post by mickthecactus on Dec 4, 2020 21:02:15 GMT
New and Noo sound the same to me Casimira, the first one is nyoo and the second noo. How do the British pronounce new and do they all pronounce it the same? Nyoo although in East Anglia (Mossie country) it could be noo. 2 countries divided by a single language..,,
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Post by kerouac2 on Dec 4, 2020 21:10:57 GMT
Why on earth would anybody pronounce New as Nyoo? You should renew your vocabulary and then we can discuss the subject anew.
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Post by mickthecactus on Dec 4, 2020 21:18:33 GMT
I never knew that you knew.
I once saw a gnu though.
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Post by bixaorellana on Dec 4, 2020 21:34:23 GMT
Im not sure if this helps or not but I pronounce New in the same way as I would "knew" ? definitely closer to Nyoo than Noo I should have written knew instead of nyoo because, yes, I think that is how new is supposed to be pronounced, although I know I say noo.
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Post by lugg on Dec 4, 2020 21:43:28 GMT
8 song thread ... now I think I know
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Post by bixaorellana on Dec 4, 2020 21:45:04 GMT
I hope you're not referring to Neil Young's pronunciation.
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Post by casimira on Dec 4, 2020 21:45:08 GMT
You are correct Lugg and #1 is way more acceptable than #2. I agree with Bixa though that musicians with some exceptions (as in the latest 8 song entry will demonstrate) will resort to # 2 for rhyming reasons.
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Post by casimira on Dec 4, 2020 21:46:36 GMT
Indeed I am referring to Neil Young's pronunciation. He got it right.
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Post by bixaorellana on Dec 4, 2020 21:49:09 GMT
Not really. He sounds like someone not from New Orleans trying to say it correctly. As I said in 8-song, he obviously learned the song from the original Fats Domino version.
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Post by lugg on Dec 4, 2020 21:49:21 GMT
I give up - no idea but it has been fun
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Post by bixaorellana on Dec 4, 2020 21:49:46 GMT
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