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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2016 19:34:18 GMT
Are any Americans here really worried about Donald Trump? Even if I say "Barry Goldwater"?
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Post by htmb on Jan 15, 2016 20:36:06 GMT
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Post by fumobici on Jan 16, 2016 1:10:27 GMT
Are any Americans here really worried about Donald Trump? Even if I say "Barry Goldwater"? The Goldwater-Trump comparisons aren't crazy, parallels exist; both happily willing to say both truths and lies that others won't. I look forward to a Trump-Sanders match-up in the general election. Sanders says the truths without the lies and i think he wins.
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Post by patricklondon on Jan 16, 2016 12:45:38 GMT
Are any Americans here really worried about Donald Trump? Even if I say "Barry Goldwater"? I thought it was conventional wisdom that Goldwater would be considered far too soft and liberal by today's Tea Party+evangelicals. My blog | My photos | My video clips"too literate to be spam"
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Post by cynthia on Jan 17, 2016 5:06:04 GMT
Since Goldwater is viewed in hindsight, I see him as no comparison to the evil that is Trump (and Cruz, too.) When I was a teen, a friend dragged me to a Goldwater rally and as naïve as I was, I somehow still knew that he was not my cup of tea. But I see him as a fiscal conservative and not so much a social conservative. That is when Republicans mostly thought government should keep out of a person's personal affairs.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2016 5:26:47 GMT
I never even paid attention to Goldwater's ideology. I'm just saying that if a determined part of the Republican party manages to impose this guy as a candidate, he will crash and burn in the general election.
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Post by patricklondon on Jan 17, 2016 11:08:31 GMT
Let's hope so. He has all the signs of a potential imploder, the kind of man who could start a fight in an empty room. But the danger for any sensible opponent is that most understandable responses to him would make him (and by extension those who lean towards him) look like a patronised underdog, always being put down by the out-of-touch elite. Time, perhaps, to revive Roosevelt's old quip and portray him as the "simple, barefoot, millionaire landlord". My blog | My photos | My video clips"too literate to be spam"
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Post by breeze on Jan 17, 2016 13:26:35 GMT
kerouac, if you knew the outright hatred for Hillary that exists, which goes back to the early days of the Clinton presidency, you might worry about more Trump than you do. I can't say if this hatred is only in pockets, but I'm surrounded by it where we live. Of course this is the area of which James Carville said "Pennsylvania is Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, and Alabama in between." Apologies to Alabama.
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Post by breeze on Jan 17, 2016 13:31:40 GMT
"worry more about Trump"
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Post by mossie on Jan 17, 2016 16:00:38 GMT
Let us me introduce a transatlantic worry.
Imagine the scenario when President Trump meets Prime Minister Corbyn. Fur might fly, hopefully it will be pigs.
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Post by Kimby on Jan 17, 2016 23:23:41 GMT
My staunch Republican mother in law, in 2008, said "I hope Hillary wins the primary because I think the Democrats are going to win this election and I'd rather have Hillary than Obama." At least SOME Republicans don't hate Hillary.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2016 23:30:10 GMT
I don't think that any of us here are African-American or Latino but if we were, I don't think we would be very Trumpy. And those groups are now a very significant portion of the electorate.
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Post by Kimby on Jan 20, 2016 14:47:23 GMT
She's back! Sarah Palin has joined the "squirmish". Just when she'd almost faded from memory. After 30 seconds of her screeching on morning TV, my ears are aching. Make her go away!
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Post by mossie on Jan 20, 2016 15:38:33 GMT
When I saw that on the TV I thought
"Don't they make a lovely couple?"
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Post by htmb on Jan 20, 2016 23:42:56 GMT
Now Bob Dole, who is supporting Jeb Bush, stated he'd support Trump over Ted Cruz, who he thinks "is so extreme he'd completely set the Republican Party back in time."
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Post by lola on Jan 25, 2016 18:41:33 GMT
Bill Clinton correctly says below that Trump is "the most interesting character out there." I can only hope that people are still just in the mood to be entertained.
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Post by htmb on Jan 25, 2016 22:01:17 GMT
This whole situation just seems to be getting worse and worse. It certainly wouldn't make very believable fiction.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2016 15:16:42 GMT
Today is the Iowa primary. This whole thing just seems to go on and on and on and on....
I just found out because I was curious and checked. Election day falls on my birthday this year.
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Post by lola on Feb 1, 2016 18:14:17 GMT
I just checked the bookmakers' odds:
Hillary 10/11 in the US, 8/11 in UK. Trump 5/1 in US, 3/1 in UK Cruz, 12/1 and 20/1 UK bookies put Michael Bloomberg at 16/1 and Mitt Romney at 80/1
Bloomberg's kind of a not that crazy 3rd party possibility, even age 74 by then.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2016 18:56:23 GMT
Really? Odd odds...
I was kind of pleased to hear about Bloomberg entering the race. Sanders is around the same age no? And he (Bloomberg)would certainly gain more of the populist vote than Sanders for a number of reasons. Not that I agree with them all but, as the lesser of two evils in the eyes of the general population.
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Post by lagatta on Feb 2, 2016 11:17:33 GMT
NYC Girl is African-American (as far as I know).
But is Cruz a "Natural-born American", or whatever the expression is? He is EXACTLY what the birthers were claiming Obama was - US citizen through his mother, father another natonality, born outside the US. (Which wasn't true in Obama's case).
Mossie, you could see Corbyn and Sanders... And are you expressing your undying love for the 19th arrondissement? Or the 19th century?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2016 11:38:11 GMT
So, did the Iowa caucus wipe the grin off Trump's face? Nice to think that he is supposedly spending only his own money on his campaign.
Regarding Ted Cruz, it has always been my understanding that he is not eligible according to the American constitution because he was born on foreign soil. I remember back in Henry Kissinger's heyday there was a lot of talk about amending the constitution to permit naturalised foreign born people to run for President, but it was never done. (Perhaps Cruz thinks that it is just a temporary technicality before the U.S. annexes Canada.)
But actually, reading up on the subject, I see that the wording is indeed "natural born citizen" for eligibility to run for President or Vice President. There is no actual mention of having to be born on American soil.
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Post by htmb on Feb 2, 2016 12:11:05 GMT
You've been reading the Constitution of the United States again? Always the inquisitive one!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2016 12:35:48 GMT
I remember in school how they drilled into us "American born = born on American soil" while pointing out that the reason for this originally was to prevent any of those damned British from trying to run for President in the early years of the republic, since so many residents of the brand new United States had been born in Britain back then.
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Post by patricklondon on Feb 2, 2016 12:56:16 GMT
you could see Corbyn and Sanders... For those of us with a long enough memory for Coronation Street, there is a certain facial resemblance between Sanders and.... Reg Holdsworth: My blog | My photos | My video clips"too literate to be spam"
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Post by Kimby on Feb 2, 2016 15:37:08 GMT
John McCain was born in Panama...
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Post by mossie on Feb 2, 2016 15:48:08 GMT
Lagatta, while I may give the impression of originating in the 19th century, I am actually in love with the 19th Arrondissement. The avatar comes from a photo of some street art I came across a few years back.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2016 16:28:07 GMT
John McCain was born in Panama... Yes, but back then the Canal Zone was as American as Hawaii.
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Post by Kimby on Feb 2, 2016 16:48:14 GMT
And BOTH his parents were US citizens, I believe. Unlike Obama and Cruz.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2016 17:39:36 GMT
Oh, that is very important. Frankly, I think that every so-called American should be tested. (I remember so well when I was a child that all of the various offers on cereal boxes and stuff -- things that interested children -- always added the conditions for residents of Puerto Rico, the Canal Zone and Guam, or at least just said that they were "included.")
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