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Apr 2, 2019 18:00:39 GMT
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Post by whatagain on Apr 2, 2019 18:00:39 GMT
Eh. When you ask for a divorce you don't stay in your wifés house because you have not yet found another lodgement.
So what about a new referendum ?
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Brexit
Apr 2, 2019 18:24:50 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Apr 2, 2019 18:24:50 GMT
I think there is absolutely no non-humiliating solution, so I would not exclude a new referendum. It might even be the least humiliating way to resolve the problem (unless of course there happened to be a new vote for Brexit, and I can't even imagine the chaos that would result from that).
And of course any delay beyond May (the month, not the PM) demands that the UK participate in the upcoming European elections. What a nightmare...!
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Apr 3, 2019 0:14:06 GMT
Post by questa on Apr 3, 2019 0:14:06 GMT
I like to read history books where the events happened about 50=75 years ago. By then the events have played out and the benefit of hindsight gives the whole picture. We see more of the consequences but still remember our communities' involvement. So I wonder how history will record the Brexit affair. How will it be taught in schools? Todays teenagers are tomorrow's Historians … I wish I could see what they write.
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Apr 3, 2019 2:57:30 GMT
Post by bixaorellana on Apr 3, 2019 2:57:30 GMT
When you ask for a divorce you don't stay in your wifés house because you have not yet found another lodgement. Exactly! I think there is absolutely no non-humiliating solution, so I would not exclude a new referendum. The fact that May & her cohorts have been so determined not to allow a second referendum, particularly in light of what is known now of the manipulative lies presented to the public before the (non-binding!) referendum, is as reprehensible as everything else she and her reptilian party do. And all the crap about what a big deal it would be to organize another referendum, how much it would cost, etc. is awfully damned nervy considering that vanity snap election that May staged in June of 2017. And yes indeed, what an unfair mess if the UK is still half in and half out of the EU for the European elections.
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Apr 4, 2019 11:54:36 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Apr 4, 2019 11:54:36 GMT
I see that the European Parliament accorded a short stay visa exemption for UK passport holders today. That's a start, I guess.
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Brexit
Apr 5, 2019 10:54:34 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Apr 5, 2019 10:54:34 GMT
It appears the the UK is going to have the pleasure of participating in the European elections. Now THAT will be interesting.
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Apr 5, 2019 13:27:54 GMT
Post by bjd on Apr 5, 2019 13:27:54 GMT
I see that the European Parliament accorded a short stay visa exemption for UK passport holders today. That's a start, I guess. I don't really see why they need visas or exemptions. I remember going to England in the early 1970s and there were no formalities, or else I just don't remember. I do remember French tourists wheeling huge boxes of goods because they were cheaper in England.
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Apr 5, 2019 13:38:14 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Apr 5, 2019 13:38:14 GMT
Yes, but the UK voted to cancel ALL of the rules vis-à-vis the EU, so that makes them like China or India in terms of getting into the EU countries (except for Eire with which they have a longstanding bilateral agreement). When you wipe the slate clean, you can't leave in little bits and pieces automatically.
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Apr 6, 2019 4:19:41 GMT
Post by questa on Apr 6, 2019 4:19:41 GMT
It appears the the UK is going to have the pleasure of participating in the European elections. Now THAT will be interesting. Interesting The whole thing is a farce. I have decided the whole story should be turned into a theatrical performance with The Monty Python crew, Pete and Dud as ghostly narrators and Spike Miiiigan ad libbing from his own cloud in heaven.
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Apr 6, 2019 6:24:15 GMT
Post by bjd on Apr 6, 2019 6:24:15 GMT
Watching from the outside, the whole Brexit thing doesn't even appear to be about Britain leaving the EU. The first referendum was called by Cameron not about the EU but to placate his diehards in the Tory party. The ones who think that Britain still has an empire and is a great power.
Now, Theresa May and Corbyn and both playing to their parties, not to the country. Corbyn, being against the EU from the start and trying to placate the Labour ridings which voted to leave, while being head of a party with a majority of remainers, May, originally a remainer but trying to keep the Conservative party together and ceding to the Rees-Moggs and Johnsons, who are trying to throw her out and take over the Tories.
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Apr 6, 2019 17:22:29 GMT
Post by bixaorellana on Apr 6, 2019 17:22:29 GMT
Yes and yes! You nailed it, Bjd.
What I find bizarre is the endless thrashing and quibbling over a deal. There is no reason for the EU to give the UK any kind of deal. The UK wants to pull out of a deal they entered into willingly and from which it has profited for decades, never mind that their pulling out will disrupt all kinds of things beneficial to itself, but also to the group they're abandoning.
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Apr 6, 2019 23:46:17 GMT
Post by questa on Apr 6, 2019 23:46:17 GMT
Bjd, that is "the story so far"...summed up in the clearest way I've seen.
Bixa, Ever heard the expression, "cut off your nose to spite your face"? There will be a lot of nose-less faces over Brexit.
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Apr 7, 2019 7:20:26 GMT
Post by mossie on Apr 7, 2019 7:20:26 GMT
I agree with Bixa to some extent. We should not bother about it all too much, just don’t give them any more cash and take no notice of any legislation if it does notsuit us. Like most of them do instead of religiously kowtowing to Brussels all the time as our useless government does.
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Apr 7, 2019 7:33:42 GMT
Post by bjd on Apr 7, 2019 7:33:42 GMT
Mossie -- it's not a question of "relgiously kowtowing to Brussels" or giving them more cash. Britain joined the EU in 1975 willingly. It was not forced to join by a military occupation. Therefore, the financial payments made by Britain were part of an agreed contract. As are the rules that Britain had to implement about minimum wages, worker's safety and other rules in return for trade benefits, movement of peoples, etc.
I assume you will agree that when two or more parties sign up to a contract, there is an implicit agreement to follow the rules by both or all parties. When a contract is broken by one of the signatories -- in this case, Britain -- it has to compensate the other party for its not continuing with projects that it signed up for and approved while it was a member.
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Apr 7, 2019 8:31:46 GMT
Post by cheerypeabrain on Apr 7, 2019 8:31:46 GMT
Absolutely right bjd. Its embarrassing. Being bolshy and demanding is ridiculous, assuming that we are somehow better than everybody else. Smugly assuming that we are right about everything...that we're doing everybody else a huge favour by just deigning to talk to anybody about it at all...
We are leaving and that's that. Whatever we signed up for we should honour and then concentrate on investing in British farmers and manufacturers, education and health (amongst other things). We definitely need to clean up our act.
I think that they'll be better off without us, unfortunately most British people won't be better off without the EU.
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Apr 7, 2019 18:08:57 GMT
Post by onlyMark on Apr 7, 2019 18:08:57 GMT
I'm away on holiday and have no great internet access nor the motivation to delve into the latest developments nor worry about them, I am quite fatalistic about the outcome. However, two small personal comments - I know of no-one who feels we still have an empire (though of course I do not know every single British person) nor that we are any longer a great power. These things were well before my time never mind generations after me. It is a far too often used stereotype to try and explain the current predicament and I think those aspects attributed to the British are not such a factor as believed. But - one attribute that is a generalisation and still relevant is the propensity for us to cut our nose off to spite our face. I will and have at various times done this and ended up worse off than if I'd have left things alone, purely for a principle or belief in what I think is right or wrong. Mrs M doesn't understand this as it is not a fundamental part of her character as it is to mine.
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Apr 7, 2019 18:21:38 GMT
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Post by mickthecactus on Apr 7, 2019 18:21:38 GMT
Good points by Marky Mark as ever.
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Apr 8, 2019 18:01:53 GMT
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Post by whatagain on Apr 8, 2019 18:01:53 GMT
I like it when people complain about Brussels. I hear it from UK from france from Italy. I like it actually. So everybody knows Bruxelles. But I didn't know we were so powerful - I thought Brussels consists of people from the whole of EU.
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Apr 8, 2019 21:03:29 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Apr 8, 2019 21:03:29 GMT
There are 1,262 British employees at the EU in Brussels. I guess they will be stoned when they return to the home country.
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Apr 8, 2019 21:07:38 GMT
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Post by mickthecactus on Apr 8, 2019 21:07:38 GMT
Are there a lot of drugs in Brussels then?
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Apr 8, 2019 22:51:57 GMT
Post by bixaorellana on Apr 8, 2019 22:51:57 GMT
*snork!*
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Apr 8, 2019 23:10:57 GMT
Post by questa on Apr 8, 2019 23:10:57 GMT
Are there a lot of drugs in Brussels then? Nope, just a bunch of dopes.
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Apr 10, 2019 10:29:02 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Apr 10, 2019 10:29:02 GMT
Two days to go... or maybe another year. Has anybody seen what the bookmakers are giving as odds?
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Apr 11, 2019 15:07:24 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Apr 11, 2019 15:07:24 GMT
Is it all right to say "Happy Halloween"?
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Apr 11, 2019 15:20:19 GMT
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Post by mickthecactus on Apr 11, 2019 15:20:19 GMT
Happy Xmas, Happy New Year, Happy Easter...,
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Apr 11, 2019 16:06:44 GMT
Post by bixaorellana on Apr 11, 2019 16:06:44 GMT
Is it all right to say "Happy Halloween"? or maybe, "Happy Day of the Dead in the Water".
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Apr 11, 2019 23:51:13 GMT
Post by mich64 on Apr 11, 2019 23:51:13 GMT
Is it all right to say "Happy Halloween"? We do say Happy Halloween, but usually only to children.
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Apr 12, 2019 0:45:06 GMT
Post by bixaorellana on Apr 12, 2019 0:45:06 GMT
Mich, I think Kerouac's remark was a reference to the EU's extension ending on October 31 of this year.
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Apr 12, 2019 1:22:59 GMT
Post by mich64 on Apr 12, 2019 1:22:59 GMT
Mich, I think Kerouac's remark was a reference to the EU's extension ending on October 31 of this year. Oh, okay, thank you! Just another example of my how my brain operates literally.
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Apr 12, 2019 7:10:58 GMT
Post by questa on Apr 12, 2019 7:10:58 GMT
It is OK mich, it went over my head as well...I think some people just can't resist being mathematically ahead of us mere mortals...they are called "nerds" in some places.
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