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Brexit
Mar 24, 2019 12:45:01 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Mar 24, 2019 12:45:01 GMT
turning this once great country into a pathetic copy of Venezuala At least Scotland still has some oil, but don't expect the Scots to stay with you forever.
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Brexit
Mar 24, 2019 13:11:15 GMT
Post by onlyMark on Mar 24, 2019 13:11:15 GMT
We're all doomed, doomed I tell you. Many won't get Private Frazer's reference Mossie, unfortunately.
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Brexit
Mar 24, 2019 23:49:25 GMT
Post by questa on Mar 24, 2019 23:49:25 GMT
I did, Captain Mainwaring, Sir.
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Brexit
Mar 28, 2019 6:31:45 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Mar 28, 2019 6:31:45 GMT
So, tomorrow is the big day. Oh, that's right -- no, it isn't.
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Brexit
Mar 29, 2019 16:04:11 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Mar 29, 2019 16:04:11 GMT
I am a bit confused. Is the British parliament committing seppuku?
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Brexit
Mar 29, 2019 16:28:25 GMT
Post by mossie on Mar 29, 2019 16:28:25 GMT
No they are just a bunch of posh prats who don’t know the real world, still having their fingers jammed firmly up their arses. Roll on the revolution,
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Brexit
Mar 29, 2019 16:45:24 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Mar 29, 2019 16:45:24 GMT
Frankly, it is getting a bit scary. We are well aware of the British sense of humour and various other quirks, but we always thought that they were sensible when the issue was important. I guess we were mistaken.
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Mar 29, 2019 18:09:31 GMT
Post by onlyMark on Mar 29, 2019 18:09:31 GMT
It is negativity, infighting and selfishness. They all can say what they don't want but do not have enough support individually to get what they do want. No single plan satisfies everyone so they all shoot it down in flames without coming up with a viable alternative. If I was May I would now get all my biggest antagonists/protagonists in one room, throw the keys to Downing Street on the table and tell them, "Bollocks to you putting obstructions in the path all the time. If you know how to do it better, step up and do it. Put up or shut up. Which one of you is man enough?"
By the way, the word in Germany from many is that even though they disagree with many things that have been happening, they admire the trait of persistence of May in trying again and again to come to some solution.
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Brexit
Mar 29, 2019 18:25:42 GMT
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Post by whatagain on Mar 29, 2019 18:25:42 GMT
Don't know about Frazer. I think somebody said about Brexit : We have the choice between pain and dishonour we chose dishonour and we will have the pain. Or close. Or was it in 1938 ?
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Brexit
Mar 29, 2019 19:19:31 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Mar 29, 2019 19:19:31 GMT
I thought the French news had exhausted every possible subject about Brexit, but now we are getting stories about John Bercow.
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Mar 29, 2019 19:53:35 GMT
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Post by mickthecactus on Mar 29, 2019 19:53:35 GMT
I thought the French news had exhausted every possible subject about Brexit, but now we are getting stories about John Bercow. Strange little man with a strange wife.
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Mar 29, 2019 20:01:28 GMT
Post by mossie on Mar 29, 2019 20:01:28 GMT
He is a pompous prat.
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Mar 29, 2019 23:58:49 GMT
Post by questa on Mar 29, 2019 23:58:49 GMT
No they are just a bunch of posh prats who don’t know the real world, I must put my glasses on when I read these posts first thing when I wake up. I read "a bunch of posh pirates"...How true. Ms May has also impressed me with her endurance even in the face of failure.
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Brexit
Mar 30, 2019 6:37:31 GMT
Post by bjd on Mar 30, 2019 6:37:31 GMT
I read that she was hoping for a title: Dame May or whatever she would get. At some point, it seems to me that if you fail 3 times with the same proposal, you don't try it again. it's that an example of insanity: repeating the same thing over and over and hoping for a different result? Or saying, "pass my resolution and I'll quit". What is that about?
If I were her, I would do as Mark says: tell her party members to come up with something better and just walk out.
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Brexit
Mar 30, 2019 7:14:23 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Mar 30, 2019 7:14:23 GMT
Ah, but then everybody would say that she had deserted her responsibilities and she would get total blame for everything. Of course, she might get total blame for everything anyway.
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Brexit
Mar 30, 2019 7:51:17 GMT
Post by patricklondon on Mar 30, 2019 7:51:17 GMT
I read that she was hoping for a title It was customary for retiring PMs to be offered a place in the House of Lords, but Margaret Thatcher was the last to accept that. John Major settled for a knighthood, Blair and Brown either don't hold with the whole idea or preferred to pursue other interests anyway, and I suppose Cameron might have had some sense of shame - or Mrs M. decided not to propose it. (This wouldn't be something for HM to make choices about, since it would look like partisanship on her part). My blog | My photos | My video clips | My Librivox recordings"too literate to be spam"
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Mar 30, 2019 8:42:02 GMT
Post by cheerypeabrain on Mar 30, 2019 8:42:02 GMT
I am avoiding the news. It just upsets me.
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Mar 30, 2019 11:24:46 GMT
Post by questa on Mar 30, 2019 11:24:46 GMT
No matter what gets decided, there will always be many different sections of the people who will believe the decision was wrong. The leaving of the EU will not be as painful and divisive as the way it has played out, with the media fanning the flames and half-witted "experts" grabbing their 15 minutes of fame and adding to the confusion.
I expect there are many normal people like Cheery who have just tuned the rabble out in self-protection. Wars, depression, strikes and other bad times seem to bring out a unified response from the Brits, but I think this upheaval will be splitting families for some generations.
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Mar 30, 2019 11:33:01 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Mar 30, 2019 11:33:01 GMT
When I think that Belgium went for a year and a half without any government at all, and nobody made a fuss about it...! I think they are the ones who have inherited the spirit of "keep calm and carry on."
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Mar 30, 2019 12:13:29 GMT
Post by bjd on Mar 30, 2019 12:13:29 GMT
Last night I heard an interview with a politics professor in Britain (English accent but teaching in Scotland). He claimed that the whole Brexit issue has divided the population much more than anything in recent history. He said that with 40% strongly for remaining and 40% strongly for leaving, this polarization will continue for years. Too many people will be unhappy with the final outcome.
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Brexit
Mar 30, 2019 12:45:37 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Mar 30, 2019 12:45:37 GMT
It seems about as big and maybe as long lasting as the Ireland divide, except that far move people are concerned. Problem is, both parts of Ireland were finally getting along just fine and then the Brexit mess dynamited it all -- not to mention lighting a new fuse in Scotland.
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Mar 30, 2019 16:18:50 GMT
Post by bixaorellana on Mar 30, 2019 16:18:50 GMT
He claimed that the whole Brexit issue has divided the population much more than anything in recent history. It is not only that the population is divided, but about how Britain is seen by others. Of course some of the uglier sentiments re: immigration and national origin were already there, but now they've become a big part of the country's image in the eyes of the world. Just as Trump is the first thing that now comes to mind about the US, Brexit is, fairly or not, a defining image of the UK.
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Mar 30, 2019 17:46:18 GMT
Post by onlyMark on Mar 30, 2019 17:46:18 GMT
I agree. The whole saga has allowed the negative traits of the British to outshine the more positive ones.
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Mar 30, 2019 21:24:33 GMT
Post by cheerypeabrain on Mar 30, 2019 21:24:33 GMT
Thre are positive ones?
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Mar 30, 2019 21:27:18 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Mar 30, 2019 21:27:18 GMT
Cheery, most of us quite like the British for all sorts of reasons. Politics is rarely one of them, though, even without Brexit.
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Brexit
Mar 30, 2019 21:38:16 GMT
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Post by whatagain on Mar 30, 2019 21:38:16 GMT
I must confess I like 99% of the Brits I have met. Then come the Germans.
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Mar 31, 2019 0:14:12 GMT
Post by questa on Mar 31, 2019 0:14:12 GMT
bjd, bixa, The professor must have stolen my script! So far it seems the people are angry and confused and fed up with their leaders' total ineptitude. When the various camps get organised I think there will be scenes like the Miner's Strikes. This whole upheaval has taken on a life of its own.
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Mar 31, 2019 8:52:50 GMT
Post by mossie on Mar 31, 2019 8:52:50 GMT
Unfortunately I think you are right Questa.
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Brexit
Apr 2, 2019 15:47:27 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Apr 2, 2019 15:47:27 GMT
I see that President Macron has proposed a lengthy article 50 extension if the UK decides to hold a new referendum or general elections. I find that actually quite cruel, not to mention the fact that it would have to be approved by all of the other EU countries. I feel as though the EU is sticking pins into the UK now, just for amusement.
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Brexit
Apr 2, 2019 16:59:23 GMT
Post by bixaorellana on Apr 2, 2019 16:59:23 GMT
Hm. In his meeting today with Leo Varadkar, Macron said: A long extension involving the participation of the UK in European elections and European institutions is far from evident and certainly not [to be taken] for granted. Our priority shall be the good functioning of the EU and the single market. The EU cannot sustainably be the hostage to the solution to a political crisis in the UK. We cannot spend the coming months sorting out yet again the terms of our divorce and dealing with the past. sourceThat doesn't really sound as though Macron is proposing a long extension -- rather the contrary.
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