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Mar 19, 2019 19:00:55 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Mar 19, 2019 19:00:55 GMT
Just ten days to no-deal Brexit. Is anybody excited yet?
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Mar 19, 2019 20:49:01 GMT
Post by cheerypeabrain on Mar 19, 2019 20:49:01 GMT
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Mar 19, 2019 22:39:10 GMT
Post by questa on Mar 19, 2019 22:39:10 GMT
How much of the "blame" must go to the lack of political awareness and general apathy of the population. Non-mandatory voting encourages the thinking that someone else will fix the problem and it doesn't involve me.
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Mar 20, 2019 4:39:41 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Mar 20, 2019 4:39:41 GMT
Oh, people will never blame themselves. It is much easier to blame the government for everything. They even blame the weather on the government these days. "They should have told us that it was going to rain so hard!"
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Mar 20, 2019 9:09:21 GMT
Post by mossie on Mar 20, 2019 9:09:21 GMT
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Mar 20, 2019 9:35:43 GMT
Post by cheerypeabrain on Mar 20, 2019 9:35:43 GMT
Blame the British public. We voted for idiots and are too pathetic to do anything about it.
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Mar 20, 2019 11:54:58 GMT
Post by questa on Mar 20, 2019 11:54:58 GMT
Do other countries have "Civics" as a school subject. Starts with kids learning the 3 levels of local, state and Federal government and what each is responsible for. Then the major parties, and history of suffrage and the fight for the women to vote. Some schools do a trip to Canberra with teachers etc and watch both Houses at work, then visit the War Museum etc. By 14-15 kids can usually know main politicians and their leanings and are eager to have their say in things that affect them.
The recent event involving a hateful MP has gathered well over a million votes for his dismissal. I have high hopes for this articulate generation.
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Brexit
Mar 20, 2019 12:18:45 GMT
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Post by mickthecactus on Mar 20, 2019 12:18:45 GMT
Hardly the fault of EU. We want to leave so we can hardly expect them to give us an easy ride. Our negotiating skills are zero. Weak and spineless.
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Mar 20, 2019 14:24:44 GMT
Post by fumobici on Mar 20, 2019 14:24:44 GMT
How much of the "blame" must go to the lack of political awareness and general apathy of the population. Non-mandatory voting encourages the thinking that someone else will fix the problem and it doesn't involve me. To be fair, mandatory voting didn't prevent Tony Abbott from becoming leader of the government. Which is pretty damning I'd reckon. We in the US of course have Trump, and the UK is saddled with Theresa May doing her diligent best to destroy her country. Maybe speaking English just makes people stupid in a nasty, mean-spirited way. There's a strong case to be made for it at the moment.
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Mar 20, 2019 16:15:49 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Mar 20, 2019 16:15:49 GMT
That is a bit harsh, since there are tons of ignorant people who speak French, Arabic, Hebrew, Portuguese, and a multitude of other languages, so I don't think the specific language is the issue. However, the mindset of a country being more prosperous by cutting itself off from its neighbours for financial gain might be an avenue worthy of study.
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Mar 20, 2019 16:30:51 GMT
Post by bjd on Mar 20, 2019 16:30:51 GMT
Don't forget the Italian-speakers who voted for Berlusconi, Salvini, etc. There is no linguistic link to stupid voting. What I find interesting in the whole Brexit thing is the fact that the leavers keep expecting the EU to make some kind of concessions and compromises. You asked to leave, whatever the original reasons were, so just get on with it. Two and a half years after the referendum (called for the wrong reasons, thank you Cameron), and England and the DUP still don't know what they want and don't have a coherent plan that can win approval from Parliament. And if you are criticizing Theresa May, wait until Boris Johnson becomes PM.
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Mar 20, 2019 17:05:36 GMT
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Post by whatagain on Mar 20, 2019 17:05:36 GMT
Whew. Thanks to uk Nobody realises (yet) that Belgium has a minority's government fir the federal - now also the Walloon gov in minority.
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Mar 20, 2019 17:28:23 GMT
Post by bixaorellana on Mar 20, 2019 17:28:23 GMT
the mindset of a country being more prosperous by cutting itself off from its neighbours for financial gain might be an avenue worthy of study. Yes! What I find interesting in the whole Brexit thing is the fact that the leavers keep expecting the EU to make some kind of concessions and compromises. Exactly. Why would or should the EU do that? Bottom line, as we watch May writhe on the hook of her own party's making, is that she doesn't really give a crap about her country, only about maintaining her party's hold on it.
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Mar 20, 2019 20:21:38 GMT
Post by mossie on Mar 20, 2019 20:21:38 GMT
The Westminster Wankers have argued us into one unholy mess and it looks as if the whole thing will die the death they desire. It could precipitate an election in which there could be a bloodbath, an awful lot of people will be in serious problems deciding how or even if to cast their vote.
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Mar 20, 2019 20:38:58 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Mar 20, 2019 20:38:58 GMT
I'm sorry, but the term "bloodbath" made me smile. Is that the new term for "a stronger cup of tea"?
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Mar 20, 2019 22:15:21 GMT
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Post by mickthecactus on Mar 20, 2019 22:15:21 GMT
Spot on Mossie.
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Mar 20, 2019 22:33:26 GMT
Post by questa on Mar 20, 2019 22:33:26 GMT
an awful lot of people will be in serious problems deciding how or even if to cast their vote So they will say, "It's all to hard, THEY got us into this mess, so THEY can get us out of it." and it will drag on. Unless a charismatic leader can emerge to present new solutions and inspire people to take the responsibility of electing their MPs thoughtfully, the present situation will just grind on for years.
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Mar 21, 2019 5:54:52 GMT
Post by onlyMark on Mar 21, 2019 5:54:52 GMT
Mossie for PM!
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Mar 21, 2019 7:28:21 GMT
Post by bjd on Mar 21, 2019 7:28:21 GMT
Whenever I see news clips from the debating chamber in Westminster, with all those people popping up and down, none of them strikes me as remotely "charismatic". Certainly neither May nor Corbin.
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Mar 22, 2019 14:53:20 GMT
Post by bixaorellana on Mar 22, 2019 14:53:20 GMT
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Mar 22, 2019 22:09:06 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Mar 22, 2019 22:09:06 GMT
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Mar 23, 2019 15:38:10 GMT
Post by mossie on Mar 23, 2019 15:38:10 GMT
That is about right Kerouac, I am afraid I just get angrier and angrier about the whole thing. Questa put "charismatic leader", don't make me laugh, not one of them could find their way out of a paper bag, let alone lead anyone else.
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Mar 23, 2019 16:28:16 GMT
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Post by mickthecactus on Mar 23, 2019 16:28:16 GMT
I have come to the conclusion that the best thing would be to revoke Article 50, have an immediate general election and clear the whole sorry bunch out.
Then we can start again.
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Mar 23, 2019 20:00:54 GMT
Post by mossie on Mar 23, 2019 20:00:54 GMT
But we would only get most of the same cretins crawling back in. What we need is a proper revolution, with one guillotine set up by the Bank and another at Westminster.
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Mar 23, 2019 20:22:10 GMT
Post by cheerypeabrain on Mar 23, 2019 20:22:10 GMT
Over a million marched in London today demanding that politicians sort out a deal and then put it to a public vote. It won't happen, May seems fairly intractable...I think that she's been backed into a corner and really doesnt know where to turn. To a large extent it's her own fault...the Brexit negotiations should have been a cross party affair. The DUP-Tory alliance was a big mistake...imo.
There are several powerful politicians who will benefit from a timely Brexit. Got to protect their tax evading arses from the changes in EU tax legislation being brought into effect soon. One particularly odious Tory MP has squillions in the Camen islands..hasn't paid tax for years (I'm sure that there are equally obnoxious labour MPs)
Nigel Twitface Farage spoke to a crowd of 200 and claimed that nobody really wants a second vote...
I'm just sick of it all.
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Brexit
Mar 23, 2019 20:22:28 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Mar 23, 2019 20:22:28 GMT
Perhaps a republic? No, juet kidding!
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Mar 23, 2019 20:31:07 GMT
Post by cheerypeabrain on Mar 23, 2019 20:31:07 GMT
Good idea...unfortunately I reckon a huge majority of the Leave voters are probably royalists...
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Mar 23, 2019 23:57:14 GMT
Post by questa on Mar 23, 2019 23:57:14 GMT
Can you imagine what the writers and actors of "Yes, Minister" and "Yes, Prime Minister" must think of the Brexit scenario? They couldn't make it more gobbledegook and self-serving than it is. Only there is not so much to laugh about IRL.
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Mar 24, 2019 12:08:57 GMT
Post by mossie on Mar 24, 2019 12:08:57 GMT
We're all doomed, doomed I tell you. The DUP tie up was Mays desperate attempt to cling to power after cocking up the election, a comparable cock up to Cameron calling the referendum. But what is the alternative, Comrade Corbyn turning this once great country into a pathetic copy of Venezuala. I am glad I haven't got much longer. Our pollies are all useless and apparently still on the expenses fiddles, their expenses now are bigger than at the time of the scandal.
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Mar 24, 2019 12:29:47 GMT
Post by questa on Mar 24, 2019 12:29:47 GMT
Citizen Mossie, Grease up the pulley wheels and tracks. Check the ropes and sharpen the blade. I'll fetch a basket...figuratively speaking, of course.
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