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Post by onlyMark on Sept 10, 2022 20:13:09 GMT
I'm sure you're right.
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Post by Kimby on Sept 10, 2022 21:45:48 GMT
Watching William and Harry working the crowds together at Windsor confuses me a bit. The crowd and the royals are all smiling and happy as though nothing bad had happened in recent days. I thought they were supposed to be in mourning, but I may be mistaken. It is possible that they are so relieved that granny finally kicked the bucket that it is a time for celebration. Or perhaps they are just reacting to the crowd’s positive response to being in the presence of the new King and the Princes…
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Post by cheerypeabrain on Sept 11, 2022 8:40:40 GMT
Gawd knows what goes on in such an artificial environment. It does seem off that the role is for life. I don't know if the compensations could make up for the intrusion. I suppose that to many in the UK the royals are the 'ultimate celebrity'. They appeal to the young as well as the old.
At Buckingham Palace when the death notice for HRH was affixed to the railings...a strangely coordinated wave of smartphone clutching arms swept to focus on the central point..it was very odd. It was a very modern response...
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Post by kerouac2 on Sept 11, 2022 17:56:07 GMT
The weeklies do not waste any time printing all of the stories they had already prepared 3 or 4 years ago.
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Post by Kimby on Sept 11, 2022 22:23:44 GMT
That makes sense for a public personage in their 90’s.
Actually, even ordinary individuals might want to give some thought to their own obituaries, as their loved ones will likely forget (or never know) details that should be included. If you don’t want to write out an obituary, at least leave an outline.
My parents left us a fill-in-the blanks obituary for each of them. We just had to add date of death, age at death, and years married to complete it. Much appreciated.
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Post by kerouac2 on Sept 12, 2022 17:31:10 GMT
I do not understand a lot of the British protocol for the current ceremonies. Why was King Charles wearing a tail coat and then getting into a jet? Shouldn't he be getting into a carriage if he is going to wear such a thing?
And the funny men in feathered hats and strange clothes? Is that a proper representation of the 21st century?
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Post by bjd on Sept 12, 2022 18:00:35 GMT
And the funny men in feathered hats and strange clothes? Is that a proper representation of the 21st century? In a similar vein, I was wondering whether all those embroidered outfits worn during the parades and ceremonies have been made recently or whether they are old clothes only brought out for special occasions. I mean that, from what I have seen, the average Briton is much heavier than people were even a few decades ago, so are these costumes adjusted? Made new just in case?
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Post by cheerypeabrain on Sept 14, 2022 16:13:59 GMT
I don't know for certain about the heralds, but there are specialist tailors making the uniforms, presumably they can turn out the fancy stuff. Somebody must be making the Beefeater uniforms and the clergy wear some ornate outfits. Other countries have fancy uniforms/ceremonial dress too. The style may not change but the materials pobably do.
Jeff and I watched the Queen's coffin leaving Buckingham Palace on the back of a gun carriage with full military escort. The band played sombre music (the death march) andthere was a constant steady bass drum beat. Every minute there was a bong from Big Ben with a ' boom from a canon. The senior royals marched behind. Charlie, Anne, Andrew and Edward in front. William and Harry behind. It was initially rather moving (even for this raddled old republican). They marched to the Palace at Westminster where the Queen's coffin rests, draped in the royal standard on a purple bier with a massive chunk of jewellery (the imperial crown) and a wreath of white flowers from the Balmoral and Windsor gardens. There was a short service (lovely music) then a very long period whilst first the royals then the military, politicians and other dignitaries filed out. After an hour the doors were opened for the public for the public to file past and pay their respects. The doors will be open to the pubic until Monday morning.
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Post by kerouac2 on Sept 14, 2022 16:22:04 GMT
there are specialist tailors making the uniforms, presumably they can turn out the fancy stuff. Yes, it is the same in France, particularly for the Académie Française and a few other things with ceremonial garb. I surfed over a number of channels and finally settled on watching the coffin transfer, which offers the same suspense as figure skating. What if somebody stumbles, what if they drop it? Those little boys carrying it looked so nervous (as well they should). I hope they received some sort of special reward for not screwing up in front of most of the world.
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Post by bixaorellana on Sept 14, 2022 16:25:36 GMT
here are specialist tailors making the uniforms, presumably they can turn out the fancy stuff. Somebody must be making the Beefeater uniforms Didn't you make a Beefeater doll once, Cheery?
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Post by cheerypeabrain on Sept 14, 2022 16:26:50 GMT
It is easy to be swept up in all the fuss. Jeff has been watching everything on tv 'live'. These events haven't been as divisive as they could be, there seems to be a huge amount of sympathy and support for royals atm. A form of mass hysteria that grips the nation and unites us? Only a few brave souls have protested and they've been jumped on and hurried away pretty swiftly.
It remains to be seen if Charles can ride this wave of goodwill all the way to his corontion next year.
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Post by cheerypeabrain on Sept 14, 2022 16:28:08 GMT
Bixa I made a guardsman...but never finished him. A beefeater would be fun.
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Post by bixaorellana on Sept 14, 2022 16:36:02 GMT
Well, get to stitching then!
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Post by patricklondon on Sept 14, 2022 16:54:47 GMT
A thought occurred to me about the herald outfits - I think they're tabards, in which case they don't need to fit all that precisely or be remade for each new occupant. But I do wonder how they keep them that shiny over the years. My blog | My photos | My video clips | My Librivox recordings"too literate to be spam"
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Post by mickthecactus on Sept 14, 2022 17:17:19 GMT
It is easy to be swept up in all the fuss. Jeff has been watching everything on tv 'live'. These events haven't been as divisive as they could be, there seems to be a huge amount of sympathy and support for royals atm. A form of mass hysteria that grips the nation and unites us? Only a few brave souls have protested and they've been jumped on and hurried away pretty swiftly. It remains to be seen if Charles can ride this wave of goodwill all the way to his corontion next year. It’s reminiscent of Diana hysteria.
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Post by onlyMark on Sept 14, 2022 17:25:28 GMT
Does anyone know yet what she died of? The official cause of death?
There would have been a long and exhaustive plan drawn up years ago, probably centuries ago, and updated regularly. No doubt the person who takes care of it would have retrieved it from a filing cabinet somewhere in a store room and had it on his desk the last couple of months.
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Post by Kimby on Sept 14, 2022 17:32:10 GMT
Was it my imagination or was Queen Consort Camilla actually weeping discretely during the service?
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Post by Kimby on Sept 14, 2022 23:11:29 GMT
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Post by fumobici on Sept 15, 2022 2:18:14 GMT
A fellow I've known for ages on another forum I frequent owns the outfit that made the tassels for the pillow you see the crown resting on on TV. They are based in Egypt, but the owner is very British.
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Post by questa on Sept 16, 2022 1:12:11 GMT
Out here in the Colonies life is going on as normal. Very little actual grief shown,just hours of old film and interviews interspersed with current journos reading from clip boards and prophesising who they think will wear the crown...switch to 5 minute info on Crown...switch to repeat info on TV series of that name...etc
The weather is cold and wet so there are not many outdoor things going on, we all know Charles will be King so there is little interest there, we hope Meghan gets her act together and supports Harry, and Andrew drops down a mine shaft while inspecting an opal field.
HRH Anne is still admired by all, specially since the carriage incident.
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Post by bjd on Sept 16, 2022 7:09:33 GMT
Charles has already been declared king so why should that provoke any interest? Does anyone think there will be a switch during the coronation? I do assume there will be a coronation at some point.
French news tends to open with the long lines waiting to file past the coffin, but it seems to have returned to more normal coverage of Ukraine and politics.
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Post by questa on Sept 16, 2022 8:51:53 GMT
I have been told that the remains of the former Queen are transported to the burial in a decoy vehicle, to be swapped over just before the internment. That would be a terrible blow to the whole nation, given the faultless protocol so far.
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Post by cheerypeabrain on Sept 16, 2022 9:04:29 GMT
It's still full on here and probably will be until after the funeral. But it's a British thing and we don't expect everybody to be as obsessed as we are. Peaceful protest by anti monarchists are being jumped on, but protesters are mostly just guided away from the crowds (probably as much for their own safety as anything)..a couple have been arrested but were swiftly released.
A brief video showing CR getting a bit 'tetchy' (impatient, a bit moany) when his pen leaks as he signs a document in Northern Ireland is doing the rounds...of course people are jumping on it saying that he's unreasonably demanding etc...however all that comes across is that he's a bit stressed and probably tired (and grieving he loss of his mother). Camilla doesn't take any BS by the look of things, and seems to smoothly calm him down without appearing to fuss.
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Post by questa on Sept 16, 2022 12:01:03 GMT
Memo to Charles...order a box of regal ball point pens and avoid embarrassment from recalcitrant 18th century technology.
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Post by Kimby on Sept 16, 2022 12:41:52 GMT
Charles has a tough row to hoe, as more of the Commonwealth counties weigh going for independence. The empire has shrunk quite a lot during his mother’s long reign, and can only contract more in the future.
Will the monarchy be able to retain any relevance?
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Post by kerouac2 on Sept 16, 2022 14:24:37 GMT
I was looking to see who the longest reigning monarchs are. Here are the top three:
1. Sultan Hassanal Bolkiah - Brunei, 55 years 2. Queen Margrethe II - Denmark, 50 years 3. King Carl XVI Gustaf - Sweden, 49 years
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Post by casimira on Sept 16, 2022 16:01:01 GMT
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Post by kerouac2 on Sept 16, 2022 16:23:31 GMT
I love the photogragh of Jemima. It looks very scientific.
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Post by bjd on Sept 16, 2022 17:04:45 GMT
What does she do when asparagus is out of season? Use frozen? Would those break when they hit the ground?
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Post by bixaorellana on Sept 16, 2022 17:11:07 GMT
re: longest reigning monarchs ~ I don't see how those three could be at the top of the list. There have been quite a few who ascended their thrones while still children, so had very long reigns. Louis XIV, for instance, reigned for 72 years.
re: the Asparamancer ~ Like her supposedly correct predictions in the past, many of her new crop will probably come true because any British person who follows the news could make them based on educated guesses. Prince Phillip was 99 & in increasingly poor health, so in fact did die, for instance. It's not much of a "bombshell prediction" that Charles III would hand over many of his duties to William, when you consider that Charles has been talking about dispersing royal duties for quite some time & increasingly took on many for the Queen before her death.
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