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Post by Kimby on Nov 2, 2020 22:12:07 GMT
Noooooo! Nate Silver gives Trump a 10% chance.
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Post by tod2 on Nov 3, 2020 11:42:17 GMT
I will be very surprised if Trump wins. Looking at the differences between him and Biden it's chalk and cheese. One brash full of himself man versus an older but I think wiser man who seems a lot more sincere when he speaks. Ok, he may seems slow but at least he thinks before he goes charging in saying things he knows sounds like baloney.
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Post by lugg on Nov 3, 2020 19:33:13 GMT
I so hope you are correct Tod . I have just book marked the election results page so I can follow . I cannot remember ever being so interested in a foreign election result before ...of course that is because it will have world wide impact.
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Post by kerouac2 on Nov 3, 2020 20:03:45 GMT
I imagine that the Proud Boys, those who still have jobs, have taken the afternoon off so that they can clean their guns and get more ammunition.
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Post by Kimby on Nov 3, 2020 21:55:37 GMT
Republicans waiting in long lines to vote in Pennsylvania are giving up and going home without voting. A bit of an enthusiasm gap, it would seem.
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Post by mickthecactus on Nov 3, 2020 22:14:10 GMT
I want Biden to win but he doesn’t fill me with much enthusiasm
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Post by bixaorellana on Nov 3, 2020 23:28:54 GMT
That's you & many thousands of Americans, Mick! But hey ~ he's not Trump!
I am less unenthusiastic about him than I was before because I'm allowing myself to believe that he might work with progressives to move toward the things that other 1st world countries have, like universal health care. On the other hand, I also believed in Santa Claus and the tooth fairy beyond the age when I should have known better.
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Post by casimira on Nov 4, 2020 0:04:32 GMT
Everything you said Bixa is my exact sentiment.
I rode my bike over to our polling place early this a.m. just to take a gander at how many people were in line. It wasn't a very long line. (Almost everyone I know voted early).
T. and I walked over later in the a.m. and there was no line at all. We chose to vote today because it's convenient for one, ( a 3 block stroll) and, I know several of the poll workers from having worked there for many years post Katrina. I always bring one of the ladies whom I am friendly with some Meyer lemons from my garden. So, it's a pleasant social experience along with being a purposeful civic duty. (Aside from the POTUS vote there are a ton of local judgeships and a district attorney, and, some local and statewide amendments, and, a US Senate seat up for grabs).
I almost burst into giggles while in the voting booth and saw Kanye West's name for POTUS and his party called The Birthday Party!
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Post by bixaorellana on Nov 4, 2020 5:48:23 GMT
Ahhh ~ so you're telling us how you voted!
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Post by onlyMark on Nov 4, 2020 6:34:12 GMT
I want Biden to win but he doesn’t fill me with much enthusiasm Same here. The best is for him to win to get rid of Trump, not cock up too much in his term and then next elections get beaten by a woman.
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Post by bjd on Nov 4, 2020 6:53:46 GMT
I didn't look at the results so far until after breakfast. Too depressing for words since on the map I saw, Trump seems to be leading in the various swing states they have been talking about for ages. I guess final results won't be in for a while, but it's certainly closer than had been predicted. So much for polls.
I too find Biden not especially inspiring -- with so many people, they could have found a better Democratic candidate. But anybody would be better than Trump.
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Post by kerouac2 on Nov 4, 2020 6:54:36 GMT
The waiting continues...
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Post by kerouac2 on Nov 4, 2020 6:59:05 GMT
I want Biden to win but he doesn’t fill me with much enthusiasm I am less unenthusiastic about him than I was before Everything you said Bixa is my exact sentiment. I too find Biden not especially inspiring I thought we had finished discussing Biden's shortcomings a year ago. We need to see who wins the election now and then start a whole new round of bitching. I saw Biden make his statement and he is slurring more and more words. Not a good sign.
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Post by bjd on Nov 4, 2020 7:41:39 GMT
Yeah well -- given the depressing outlook at the moment, we might not be discussing Biden much longer.
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Post by mossie on Nov 4, 2020 8:14:46 GMT
America is getting like us, the choice is which is the lesser of two evils.
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Post by onlyMark on Nov 4, 2020 8:16:58 GMT
I'd just, for the sake of accuracy, like to point out that my "Same here" comment was in reference to what Mick said as I quoted rather than agreeing with Casimira as to what Bixa said. Not that I may agree or disagree with them it's just the order K2 put the quotes may give a false impression.
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Post by mickthecactus on Nov 4, 2020 8:56:52 GMT
Under Trump America has become cheap and nasty. It needs to regain class and dignity.
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Post by bjd on Nov 4, 2020 9:17:52 GMT
I thought it had lost most of its class and dignity (whether it had a lot to start with is another question) with the election and then re-election of GW Bush. But compared to Trump, Bush was wonderful.
Then again, much of the political commentary I have been reading over the past months say that it's not just Trump. The way the Republican party, the Supreme Court, the Senate, etc have been working only encouraged someone like Trump. Things were not great before -- he didn't come out of nowhere.
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Post by cheerypeabrain on Nov 4, 2020 9:21:07 GMT
It's looking very frightening. It's too close isn't it?. Trump is threatening to go to the Supreme court...surely he can't just do that and expect them to decide? A few times he's said (if he's ahead in an area) that they should stop counting the ballots..especially where voting by mail hasn't been counted yet.
I don't understand. Is it just that, like here, people vote Republican because Democrats are seen as too left wing? Here a lot of folk voted Tory because they didn't like the labour leader. Many of my Tory voting friends defend BoJo saying that he's 'a character'. So do US votes for the party more than for the personality? Or has Donald won them over with his endearing megalomania?
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Post by bjd on Nov 4, 2020 9:38:42 GMT
Now that Trump has stacked the Supreme Court with his rightwing supporters, I'm sure he can get any kind of decision he wants.
I don't know much about American political history and whether people used to vote for the party rather than the specific candidate, but in this case, I'm afraid all those evangelicals, gun toters, white supremacists, etc are voting for Trump rather than any Republican party program. Anyway, in the past four years, the Republicans just lay down and let Trump do and say whatever he wanted, even those who were nominally opposed to him at first.
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Post by kerouac2 on Nov 4, 2020 9:51:10 GMT
Trump is threatening to go to the Supreme court...surely he can't just do that and expect them to decide? That's exactly what the Supreme Court did in 2000 to award the election to George W. Bush. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_v._Gore
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Post by mickthecactus on Nov 4, 2020 10:04:53 GMT
Cheery, it wasn’t so much that Boris won as Jeremy Corbyn lost it. He was unelectable. If Starmer had been in charge it might have been very different.
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Post by lugg on Nov 4, 2020 11:48:11 GMT
Too depressing for words if I am reading the current situation correctly./
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Post by cheerypeabrain on Nov 4, 2020 13:26:27 GMT
Cheery, it wasn’t so much that Boris won as Jeremy Corbyn lost it. He was unelectable. If Starmer had been in charge it might have been very different. You are right I'm afraid, I'm terribly disappointed in JC and his cronies.
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Post by cheerypeabrain on Nov 4, 2020 13:27:59 GMT
Looks like Trump has no intention of letting go.
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Post by mickthecactus on Nov 4, 2020 14:09:12 GMT
Well there’s a surprise....
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Post by kerouac2 on Nov 4, 2020 14:21:16 GMT
And it looks like Biden is now winning if the absentee ballot trends continue. I guess that means that Trump will call out the army or something else from the Belarus playbook.
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Post by bixaorellana on Nov 4, 2020 15:19:33 GMT
I don't know much about American political history and whether people used to vote for the party rather than the specific candidate, but in this case, I'm afraid all those evangelicals, gun toters, white supremacists, etc are voting for Trump rather than any Republican party program. Anyway, in the past four years, the Republicans just lay down and let Trump do and say whatever he wanted, even those who were nominally opposed to him at first. That is correct. In fairness, there are Republicans and evangelicals who are thinking individuals and who are horrified by Trump. But the White supremacists, whether avowed or only in their hearts, and the asshole gun advocates are all too happy to believe the constant stream of sick bullshit propaganda that pours forth from President RectumLIps, on US tv & on social media. I watched the election returns last night at the home of a friend who has access to all the US television stations. As we sat there watching swaths of the country composed of hard-working people -- farmers, factory workers, all kinds of people who work hard all their lives and never really get ahead -- vote for the uncaring and dangerous rich guy, I could only think WTF. I asked my friend if she thought this was the result of the erosion of education in the US. She quoted something that Sandra Day O'Connor said -- that the US would rue the day it stopped teaching civics in school. Looks like those chickens have come home to roost.
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Post by fumobici on Nov 4, 2020 16:21:50 GMT
My opinion that Biden is only fractionally less disgusting than Trump is helping me weather this poo storm. He's a much nicer person than Trump, no doubt but they aren't all that far apart on hard policy matters, both are right wing nutters. Anyone opposing universal health care is a monster in my book.
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Post by kerouac2 on Nov 4, 2020 17:41:30 GMT
Ah, but you still think the president runs the country rather than Big money. What any president thinks is of little importance when other people are actually pulling the strings.
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