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Post by bixaorellana on Jul 13, 2019 4:16:03 GMT
Or perhaps the report title should be Naples, the much maligned. Many, perhaps most people who have visited there love it, whereas it appears that those wanting a more sanitized version of Italy often reject it without ever seeing it. The word I kept reading was "gritty", which I think is one of those lockstep things people say in lieu of investigating for themselves. While I don't doubt Naples, one of the top three largest cities in Italy, has its darker side, as a tourist I never saw any such thing, nor the "chaos" which is also often cited. Yes, it is a crowded city, but when I was there in late May and early June of this year it seemed mostly crowded with its own inhabitants, in contrast to other big cities I visited where there were hordes of tourists. The main thing was that I enjoyed it very much and would revisit like a shot, as so much remains to be seen. This report will cover what I saw and did, minus churches and Pompeii, which will be separate reports. Naples has been inhabited since the Neolithic period, with Greek settlements established in the area by the second millennium BC. It was greatly respected by the Romans as a paragon of Hellenistic culture. There were three tumultuous centuries after the fall of Rome, but Naples gained complete independence by the early ninth century. In 1137 Naples, the last independent duchy in the southern part of the peninsula, came under Norman control, thus joining the Kingdom of Sicily. Spain won Naples from the French in 1503 and it became part of the Spanish Empire until 1714. Throughout the 1700s Naples got tossed back and forth between the rule of the kings of Naples and of the Bonapartists. In 1861 Naples joined the Kingdom of Italy as part of the Italian unification, ending the era of Bourbon rule. The economy of the area declined, leading to an unprecedented wave of emigration,with an estimated 4 million people emigrating from the Naples area between 1876 and 1913. The above information was completely cribbed from the Wikipedia entry, which you can consult to see up to modern times.
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Post by bixaorellana on Jul 13, 2019 4:39:47 GMT
Continuing on to the end of the block, I come to Via Toledo. As it proceeds south toward the water, it turns into a sleek shopping district, landscaped and with well known store names. But at this end, it is more "downtown", with a little of everything.
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Post by bjd on Jul 13, 2019 5:25:23 GMT
Looking forward to more! I like that you wander away from "monuments" and big streets to the small ordinary ones. I suppose too that those same streets are the ones never seen by tourists looking for a more sanitized, Hollywood-style Italy.
I really like the posters of historical figures with added humourous touches.
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Post by lagatta on Jul 13, 2019 12:20:47 GMT
I loved the wee balcony with the washing pegs and flowers. Bet they manage to get a suprising amount of laundry dry in that tiny space. When it is hot and dry, it is as fast as a machine dryer.
That would make a great poster.
Did you have an espresso - or a caffè freddo - at Mexico bar?
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Post by kerouac2 on Jul 13, 2019 14:30:00 GMT
Even though I have only seen Naples once from a bus in 1973 going from the S.S. Michelangelo to Pompeii, I knew it was a fascinating city and hope I get to really see it some day.
Your photographs are wonderful, especially since I did not spot a single tourist in them.
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Post by fumobici on Jul 13, 2019 14:45:31 GMT
Hmmm. I was wanting to go, but this just confirms that. I'll be back in Italy in a few months, maybe it's time I finally gave Naples its due.
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Post by bixaorellana on Jul 13, 2019 21:23:19 GMT
I can't thank you all enough for the generous responses! They are especially gratifying in light of what I was thinking as I posted the pictures, namely, "Gosh, after my impassioned apologia for the beauty of Naples, some of this does look kinda grubby." Bjd, I do love to wander and my propensity for getting lost means I'm sometimes wandering whether I want to or not. Those posters were all over and I definitely kept my eye out for them. LaGatta, I did have a coffee in that particular Mexico cafe (it's a chain), but it was a rather cold experience. All of the countermen were exceptionally tall -- well over 6' -- and not a one of them ever made eye contact with the customers, nor communicated with more than a grunt. Thanks, Kerouac. As you know, I was hoping you'd figure out a way to see parts of both Naples and Rome. As for tourists, you may spot some later in the thread, although Naples is definitely not overrun with them. Fumobici, I would love to see your take on Naples, especially since you always ferret out the unexpected in the places you visit in Italy. Huckle, thank you so much! I don't know how much walking you are comfortable doing at a stretch, but there are parts of Naples that are great for slow strolling. I'll be showing one such very shortly. It is an area that attracts tourists, students, and people wanting to hang out in cafes, and it is flat and free of traffic. In some ways Naples is like Palermo -- that southern Italian feeling, a great contrast to Bologna where I had been immediately prior to Naples -- but Naples feels more invested in efficiency and infrastructure than Palermo did. Here are a few more pictures from the Via Toledo/PIazza Dante area ~ Retracing my steps out of the small neighborhood, I stop to see who died. Signs like this can help in learning basic words and phrases ~ Another sign, one which gave me great respect for the Neapolitans ~ Across the street from Piazza Dante ~ This kiosk sports one of the few words I retain from my sporadic forays into Duolingo ~ The great man himself ~
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Post by bixaorellana on Jul 13, 2019 22:21:35 GMT
You cross Piazza Dante in order to go through the Port'Alba and on into the area known as Spaccanapoli, three long streets established during the time of the Greeks which divide the city in half. I'm surprised to find I have only one photo of the part closest to Piazza Dante, but I suppose that's because I was always so happily distracted whenever I passed there. The Port'Alba is a huge arch, with used book stands, candy vendors, and tables of second-hand items crowded in its shadow. Proceeding in, you're surrounded by students and pass hole-in-the-wall pizzerias, outdoor cafes, vendors, monumental churches, and other people taking it all in. I later explored this leafy street, full of music stores and leather artisans but today I'm on a presepi quest ~ This is what you do when you have a bunch of bread dough & your pizza parlor is cheek by jowl with the street of nativity scenes ~ I meant to visit underground Naples, but now it will be a reason to return ~ Piazza San Gaetano ~ This is how you look and feel when you survive the plague ~ Closing in on my presepi goal, I encounter a souvenir stand celebrating a Neapolitan icon ~ The first creche scene figures I saw were fairly primitive compared with the wonders further in ~ Ahh, this is more like it ~
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Post by bixaorellana on Jul 14, 2019 4:11:27 GMT
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Post by bixaorellana on Jul 14, 2019 4:40:55 GMT
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Post by lagatta on Jul 14, 2019 5:29:44 GMT
Indeed, Sophia is as Neopolitan as Anna Magnani is Roman!
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Post by bjd on Jul 14, 2019 5:59:22 GMT
So were you shopping for a second suitcase for the little figurines you bought?
Naples definitely looks like a city worth visiting. I was there during the Jurassic Age, staying at a youth hostel which closed its doors until 5pm every afternoon, so we had to wander around. I remember a street market where there was a basin full of live eels. And my friend's sandal got wrecked and a shoemaker repaired it for free.
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Post by lugg on Jul 14, 2019 8:32:09 GMT
Great introduction to Naples Bixa and as Huckles said - made me laugh too. I am not so sure yet if I will be rushing there but remain open minded. Couple of questions ....Is the bark - cork ? What was that street food ?
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Post by lagatta on Jul 14, 2019 10:23:24 GMT
I wonder how they found tomatoes and red peppers 2000 years ago. Did some enterprising Mexican cross the ocean? Ancient Neapolitans and Palestinians would certainly have eaten flatbread, but... Totò is also a famous Neapolitan icon. it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tot%C3%B2 However his fame remained mostly restricted to Italy and places with significant Italian communities. Like Loren, he was "illegitimate" and life was hard, but life was hard then for most Neapolitans. As for that street food, it is just the common practice of refrying leftover pasta in a pan. VERY oily. I certainly wouldn't pay for it. However, I do suppose that Bixa had good pizza somewhere.
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Post by bjd on Jul 14, 2019 10:55:52 GMT
And to answer Lugg's other question -- yes, that is bark from cork oaks.
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Post by kerouac2 on Jul 14, 2019 13:14:09 GMT
Loving the street scenes more and more. So much better than monuments and churches! (even if those should never be neglected either)
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Post by kerouac2 on Jul 14, 2019 13:18:17 GMT
I wonder how they found tomatoes and red peppers 2000 years ago. Did some enterprising Mexican cross the ocean? Ancient Neapolitans and Palestinians would certainly have eaten flatbread, but... The Provençal santons are not meant to be historically accurate either, nor should they be. People want to see items they recognize from their daily lives. I don't think they would sell very many figurines if they were depicted with the filth and rags and open sores or 2000 years ago.
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Post by bixaorellana on Jul 14, 2019 18:31:03 GMT
So were you shopping for a second suitcase for the little figurines you bought? Ha, Bjd! I am very resistant to collecting little things, in fact got rid of a huge store of darling bits and pieces when I moved to town a few years ago. I always hover over and admire the Mexican Christmas figurines, but only own two -- a little woman background figure and a red devil just because he's such a Mexican classic. Couple of questions ....Is the bark - cork ? What was that street food ? I see others answered those questions, Lugg, but yes cork & gods preserve us, fried spaghetti. There were so many things I could/should have taken pictures of, but didn't. Naples is a feast for the eyes and senses, so often I was just goggling &/or enjoying everything. Later at home I'd realize that an image was imprinted on my brain, but did not in fact exist in the camera's memory card. re: food ~ There was a stand in the market quite close to where I stayed which displayed all its deep fat fried offerings in a glass case at eye level. There were such things as stuffed squash flowers, slices of eggplant, battered potatoes, and those rice balls beloved in southern Italy. It was cheap, greasy and delicious. Well, except for the rice balls, which I'll never learn to love. Nearby was a place selling fried seafood -- an enormous paper cone filled with fish, squid and other goodies. It was far too much to eat at one time, but the fact that it was so fresh & came with a beer, all for 6€, made it impossible to resist. I do suppose that Bixa had good pizza somewhere. LaGatta, the truth is that I've never cared for pizza except as an occasional guilty meal substitute. Absolutely everyone urged me to have pizza in Naples, so I finally did. It was on a stretch of the Spaccanapoli which had quite a number of storefront pizza places catering to students. I got in line at the place with the most customers & got a square of margherita. What a revelation! Non-gummy, delicious bread, a fluffy light, non-acidic sauce, & that hint of basil -- totally different from what I'd always considered pizza to be. Loving the street scenes more and more. So much better than monuments and churches! Thank you, but I will expect praise when I finally make the Neapolitan church thread. The Provençal santons are not meant to be historically accurate either, nor should they be. People want to see items they recognize from their daily lives. That's an excellent point. Because of reproductions in books and Christmas cards, probably everyones idea of the time of Jesus is Tuscany during the Renaissance. I think it was the movie Last Temptation of Christ that showed the area as the ancient middle east, with women ululating and suchlike -- so alien compared to overly robed Italian beauties with soft hills in the background.
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Post by lagatta on Jul 14, 2019 20:07:54 GMT
K2, perhaps I should use more smileys? I thought it was obvious that I was being a bit facetious about my imaginary Mexican carrying luscious red produce to the Old World.
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Post by bixaorellana on Jul 14, 2019 23:13:37 GMT
I will power on here with a short post in order to make some future posts come out the right length -- not too short, nor too long. This is the time honored Goldilocks method. These are pictures taken just inside the entrance to the Toledo metro station, which serves Line 1. Keen internet browsers might be familiar with Toledo station, which has won awards for its beauty. Further down in this station are astounding works in mosaic, which I did want to see, but not right at that moment. Had I known then what I know now, I would have just taken the metro then and gotten off along the way to take pictures. I say that because most of that day was spent sheltering from the rain. Oh well, something else to look forward to when I go back.
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Post by bixaorellana on Jul 15, 2019 3:54:22 GMT
I have no photos of Via Toledo, but all of you have seen long modern shopping streets. It begins up by Piazza Dante and runs all the way down to the Royal Palace, with much of the length pedestrianized. This is a good thing, as the street seemed busy all the time -- not surprising, considering the number of hot snack shops, ice cream stores, and cafes interspersed in with the regular stores. Take a few steps off the boulevard and you are in the Spanish Quarter with its tight narrow streets, often romantically touted as the true Naples.
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Post by bixaorellana on Jul 15, 2019 5:49:51 GMT
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Post by kerouac2 on Jul 15, 2019 6:54:02 GMT
Both Naples and Milan boast a magnificent shopping gallery. While Paris has some very nice passages, there is nothing on this scale. The only comparable place in France is in Nantes. I don't understand why such places have lost their popularity except for the obvious -- they are not outfitted for modern commerce, and when they are gutted for a total renovation, the proprietors ask for too much rent. However, I see that they did not scare off Sephora. The floor mosaics are in excellent condition, although they may have been carefully restored. Usually there is some idiot with an ultra heavy cart who manages to crack such things.
At least for the outer area, the Castel Nuovo looks like it should be in the United Kingdom!
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Post by bixaorellana on Jul 15, 2019 14:46:05 GMT
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Post by bixaorellana on Jul 15, 2019 18:11:20 GMT
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Post by kerouac2 on Jul 15, 2019 18:20:37 GMT
There is so much variety. I am somewhat fascinated by what possessed them to make the bumpy front of that church. It looks like so much effort for a less than fantastic result (not everybody has to agree).
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Post by lugg on Jul 15, 2019 18:50:08 GMT
Well Naples is definitely growing on me. So much to see and do. you are bringing it alive Bixa with your text and explanations and as ever wonderful photos. PS I am a heathen so fried spaghetti sounds appealing ....at least to try a mouthful. The cone of fish with a beer sounds good value too.
I did wonder who the cursed pigs were ?
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Post by bixaorellana on Jul 15, 2019 23:07:57 GMT
Kerouac, apparently that facade was quite the thing back in 15th century Naples and that building is one of the few remaining examples. I couldn't help but wonder if it wouldn't benefit from a good scrubbing to make it lighter & brighter. It would probably still seem forbidding, which might have been the point in its original incarnation. Thank you so much, Lugg! LaGatta or Fumobici will have to help us out with the pig reference. I know it's cursing, but I think it's one of those things like the Mexican use of madre in phrases that are considered vulgar here but mean almost nothing in English. Yeah, I'd try the fried spaghetti if someone set it in front of me. I guess it makes as much sense as any kind of baked pasta.
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Post by bixaorellana on Jul 15, 2019 23:25:46 GMT
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Post by bjd on Jul 16, 2019 5:37:38 GMT
Nice shot of the stairway to heaven!
I also like many of the portraits in the last group of photos. And it's rather strange to see all those smiling sculptures -- they usually seem serious or just with a little smirk.
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